WW 46: Wolves Return to Realms Beyond

[Meiz]

As for Pinds latest post here. A lot of text which basically contains a suspicion for Commodore. And little about CMF. I view most of the text just filler, which is Pind's posting style it seems. But in contrast, I'm generally seeing interesting theories for day 1 voting & vote switches, possible agendas behind their posts and whatnot. What I see from Pind is very simple thought process not containing anything from Day 1 events. Yet he has clearly gone through the events, urging scooter to do the same. Sorry Pind, I'm not trying to be rude, but instead explaining why I'm still stubbornly voting for you.

[Meiz]

I think I'm being a bit unfair on the summary above, need to chill a bit.

[pindicator]

@Meiz

I'm not sure what you mean by "narrow attack".  I fall into scooter's line of thinking with Day 1 reads and if you recall past games with me you'd remember me not doing a lot of successful work early on.  Do you not like my reasoning on my suspicions for AdrienIer yesterday?  What are your thoughts on AdrienIer today?  Why the abrupt jump yesterday from finding him scummy to finding one of his biggest accusers (myself) scummy?  Was it just that you didn't like that feel of my posts, and that made you doubt your previous AdrienIer accusation?  As for other targets, when I read something I saw as scummy I called the person out on it then if their answer or some other information (i.e. new player not knowing RB meta) cast enough doubt on it in my mind I went looking elsewhere.  If AdrienIer gives me good stuff today it's possible it will happen again.

By narrow I'm referring to you not making serious attack on anyone else except Adrien. You quickly backed off from Lewwyn (#184, #199). Jumped on Commodore's post for Gaspar-Lewwyn wolves theory but never went forward with it (#199). It was just mentioned and then forgotten. Asked Rowain to contain more meat&bone to his posts (#218). Voted Bob here as well but without any own arguments. And finally the push on Adrien (#290). If you're a wolf, you played a game where none of the people you accused would have any reasons to fight back, except your last vote for Adrien. On a timing where Cyneheard was starting to pick up heat. I don't mind not having good reads on day 1, but I'm also not finding you trying to dig deeper and getting a better resolution for your suspicions. IMO skating by is very valid summary of your day 1.

I don't mind the accusation itself against Adrien. I wouldn't even be surprised if he turns up wolf in the end. I do find it hard to believe that you are wolves together, which is why you name is red at the moment. The same goes for yesterday, I had you already on my radar for the quiet play and the suspicion post for just one player (and not talking of other potential wolves) increased the suspicion, thus trying to start the train on you.

Yeah, except I did keep coming back to Lewwyn. Hence my questioning him earlier today and my exchanges with him earlier. That's also why I asked him about the Bob wagon. I thought you were reading my posts but you're leaving out all that.

[Serdoa]

@ Serdoa This has ben knowledge since the estart of the day and only now you see this?

Yes. I did not realize how the tallies shook out exactly at every point in the voting process, nor that Cyneheard and Bob were equal twice.

Meiz explicitly asked about may vote some time ago.

Strange that you come to this insight right after I voted GKC or Adrien + pindi voted Commodore.

Has nothing to do with your vote or those of the others (i wrote so long on that post while being constantly called to do other things by my wive that I had not even seen those). It also has not to do with your one vote on Day 1. What I pointed out is how that whole process happened, because it is not one single vote I talk about, even if you try to make it seem like so. I don't care that you voted for Lewwyn, even though it made no sense. I don't care that you jumped at AdrienIer at the first request by Lewwyn, after you just had voted for him. What I do care about is that the whole string of events leads to preventing getting a wolf at the top, twice. And twice it is without any real reasons that you switched around.

[Rowain]

@ Serdoa This has ben knowledge since the estart of the day and only now you see this?

Yes. I did not realize how the tallies shook out exactly at every point in the voting process, nor that Cyneheard and Bob were equal twice.

Meiz explicitly asked about may vote some time ago.

Strange that you come to this insight right after I voted GKC or Adrien + pindi voted Commodore.

Has nothing to do with your vote or those of the others (i wrote so long on that post while being constantly called to do other things by my wive that I had not even seen those). It also has not to do with your one vote on Day 1. What I pointed out is how that whole process happened, because it is not one single vote I talk about, even if you try to make it seem like so. I don't care that you voted for Lewwyn, even though it made no sense. I don't care that you jumped at AdrienIer at the first request by Lewwyn, after you just had voted for him. What I do care about is that the whole string of events leads to preventing getting a wolf at the top, twice. And twice it is without any real reasons that you switched around.

See Serdoa thats what makes it so nice to play with you. No matter what one gives as his reason you always dismiss it as "No real reason at all". I fully aknowledge that my voting does look bad and I'm honestly surprised that so far it has no come up until now.

[Charriu]

FYI I won't be able to check the thread for the next 10 hours. The daughter (4) of a friend of mine fell and broke her arm. I need to drive him to the hospital she's at. So don't expect me to answer anything in the upcoming hours.

[Meiz]

Rowain also suspecting Lewwyn does reinforce my suspicions as I like Rowain's game so far and him being early on Cyneheard gives him town points to me.  Still I lean Lewwyn as town right now.  Though Lewwyn was the one who posited Serial Killer after the night 1 results so perhaps he got cute with having extra game knowledge?

Yet Pind gives you credit for pushing Cyneheard.

[naufragar]

Looks like it's put up or shut up time for me. GeneralKilCavalry

Very interested to hear GKC's thoughts on it despite not being my #1 for today.

Are you willing to put a vote on it?

(are we all accepting the logic of one of Commodore/Adrien/Scooter at least is scum?)

Along with those three, GKC and Superdeath were on Bob. The argument goes that there was at least one wolf in those five. How do you feel about GKC?

I fully aknowledge that my voting does look bad and I'm honestly surprised that so far it has no come up until now.

It's like no one even reads me.

I literally whistled aloud when I read Rowain.

[Serdoa]

To elaborate why I find your response to my post bad: This is your exchange with Meiz that you told me about in your last post:

 

Rowain votes Cyneheard on post #299. But later switches his vote for Lewwyn #320. The vote change itself is suspicious, as it's pushing Cyne away from potential lynch targets. Can you explain how you viewed Lewwyn's play before your vote? Suspicious already? If so, why? Later switches his vote for Adrien. You were not ultimately interested on the Cyneheard votes despite the earlier small push, and I'd like to hear why.

Lewwyn has been extremely excited and more or less all over the place. He has switched from SD to Bob to Cyneheard back to Bob and again Cyneheard - pushing easy targets (SD and Bob) & easy wagons  Hence my post if he thinks both Bob and CH are wolf and my vote for him. As I said then for me both wagons built too fast so I feared we had 2 villagers on the block and looked for another option. Which was AdrienIer. And for the record I'm still very sceptical regarding Lewwyn.

See, Meiz just mentions in his post your vote-change from Cyne to Lewwyn, but he does not mention that Cyne and Bob actually were tied. I did not realize that it was this close at that time. And the phrasing "pushing Cyne away from potential lynch targets" does not really hint at that either. Potential for me is everyone that is a runner-up, with a vote or two less than the leader. But being tied is a little bit more than that, as another vote for Cyneheard would push him above Bob and even a later vote for Bob would not save him.

He then questions you, very friendly, basically telling you what he wants to hear ("Can you explain how you viewed Lewwyn's play before your vote? Suspicious already?") and putting your opinion already before you ("You were not ultimately interested on the Cyneheard votes despite the earlier small push...").

And your answer is predictable: You re-cap how Lewwyn played and voted. You tell that him going back and forth on Bob and Cyneheard made you ask him if he thinks both are wolves and voted for him. That does not explain your vote though, it just re-caps what you did. But what did you try to achieve with that vote? You don't answer that, you only explain that you didn't like neither Bob nor Cyneheard. So I guess you wanted to flee from your own Cyneheard vote and Lewwyn gave you a good out? Because the other option that you were looking for was AdrienIer - which was presented by Lewwyn, whom you apparently didn't mind having pushed two wagons that you believed had villagers on them.

(Wife calling...)

[Meiz]

Very interested to hear GKC's thoughts on it despite not being my #1 for today.

Are you willing to put a vote on it?

Depends on his answer and scumhunting today. I find his vote on scooter is pretty null hunting from his part.