WW 46: Wolves Return to Realms Beyond

[Charriu]

Thanks Commodore just looked it up myself. So Lewwyn used that one shot the first night I assume. How else could hebe killed? Did I get that right? 

Serial Killer might be a really bad news. Have to think some more about that result, but I too want to know more from both scooter and pindicator.

Let's start with scooter. He was the main suspect from Lewwyn. What do you have to say about the night result? You also voted for both Bob and Adrien, why?

[superdeath]

Wow either a serial killer or a bad vig shot.


Pindicator

What do you have to say about the night result?

[naufragar]

I'm wondering if we have not a vigilante but a Serial Killer.

Agreed. Both Lewwyn and Meiz were terrible vig targets. I think most people expressed town lean on Lewwyn, and his suspicions live on in his args unlike Gaspar. Meiz was too mild mannered (not a tell either way) for a vig shot to give info.

Lewwyn's last wish was

Lynch Scooter or Rowain or Nauf or Pindi.

I don't think that dead villagers are infallible. (Obviously. I'm on his list.) But I think it's a fine start. Of these four, Scooter and Pindi both lynched Bob. I'll dive into these two. A little frustrating that they're both on the block. As for my two old standbys, GKC and Serdoa, I can't go after Serdoa for Adrien without shooting myself with the same bullet. GKC, as others have pointed out, got to hide behind me. I think in general he has skated by, using me as a shield.

I see I'm crossposting with Serdoa. His explanation is also possible.

[Rowain]

Night 1 we had an unexplained wolfkill (vig shot) which makes no sense for a SK tonight we have 2 dead villagers which don't make any sense for a vig-shot. Since we don't know what powers are in play it is rather useless to speculate. If our deathrate stay at 2 people /night then this game will be over far sooner than expected.

[Commodore]

So let's look at the last accusing words of each of the confirmed villagers:

And to overemphasize the point, OF COURSE experienced scum will coach new members in their private subforum.  It'd be mindless self-sabotage not to.  Not only that, but if they're going to bus someone, they'd damn well set it up properly- have the sacrifice do something just subtle and scummy enough for a fellow wolf to jump in to build a real case against them from.  Why would they not take advantage of the resource which defines their faction, the ability to coordinate?  

Also Lewwyn (and others) pleading for me to point them in another direction because they're totally desperate for any excuse to vote for someone else is obviously scummy; just flimsy cover for when I pop village, that they were reluctant all along and would never have done it were I not so darn obstinate.  At least pretend to have the courage of your convictions, sheesh.

Bob is in a good high rant at this point. I'd rate this last post a hit on Lewwyn and his other voters? Okay, I'll buy it.

How do you feel about Adrien and Scooter, who coincidentally are both now on Bob?

Adrien: I dont like his game but I don't have a real read beyond that.

Scooter: I definitely could be talked into him. I feel he often does a thing where he notices things and reacts to them but doesn't specifically mention that he's reacted. Its like a form of defensiveness but because he has a such a silver tongue he can avoid everyone noticing.

I much prefer a Cyneheard or pindicator lynch though.

So Gaspar is mildly negative on Adrien, and scum-told on Scooter

Rough morning, catching up on the overnight posts.

Rowain, I voted to prod Bob at the time as one of the remaining vets who hadn't had much to say. I was hopeful at the time that putting a third vote on him would prompt him to respond with some more reads of his own, which in hindsight according to his posts he wasn't going to do in any case. As I said earlier I disagree with his choice here and think it's anti-town (and for that I didn't even get a direct mention in his post, I presume I got lumped into "and others" during his critique of Lewwyn).

Another thing that stood out is Cyneheard's silence over the past 18 hours as he's become a clear lynch alternative. He left us with a (plausible-enough) excuse that he regretted signing up for the game, but telling us that you're not enthusiastic and planning to contribute less hurts the town, especially if it's true. He set himself up to be another easy mislynch, because we can't judge his intentions, only his posts.

I'm keeping my vote on Bob.

Sadly, not too much to go on. Kind of a Cyneheard defense a bit? Unfortunately, I think ElGrillo's death was an accident, so...RIP.

scooter.

THE MURDERED CALL OUT FOR VENGEANCE.

 Wouldn't be the first time Team Pindicooter murdered your game. 

I'm starting to root team Pindicooter as well 

Yuuuuup. This is why I was betting he'd get nightkilled.

people I weouuld like to lynch tomorrow:
pindicator (for the tying of cyneheard with Adrien), GKC (for the throwing mud on cyneheard but never really voting for him)

could be talked into a lynch
Commodore (easy scater), naufragar (enough posts that look scummy ), SD (is he even trying?)

on the fence
scooter - lewwyn does make some arguments but scooters explosion looked real.
charriu - I can't explain it he just feels odd to me

won't lynch:
CMF His past work should be rewarded with one day of peace

Scooter didn't explode. You scum? Yeah you might be scum. Let's reward CMF for his "hard work"? WTF? One day of peace? Set up the following day's mislynch?

Even the Pindi argument is very bad. So many better reasons for pindi to be scum than the lynch. You are pretty clearly just going through the motions at this point. What a scum post.

Lynch Scooter or Rowain or Nauf or Pindi. Pindi depends on what happens in the day discussion, but for sure Scooter is a wolf, and Rowain or pindi is my #2 after yesterday's day. Notice that Nauf is in the second tier of Rowain's scum list so it will take lynching 4 people before getting to him.

Hey Scooter, the long line of dead villagers who suspected you need addressing.


For bonus points, here's the single confirmed wolf's last substansive smear-post:

Beyond the vote post for Superdeath. The follow up post:

Trying to keep this to the point.

Not lynching = just gives the wolves more time to kill people, so yes lynches do need to happen.

So if all you're doing is joking around, but not then trying to help find scum? That's not helpful, which is why I called it out and moved my vote.

It's been over a day, so there's plenty more to dig through, and I know I need to do this more myself.

This is not a fair game. All of the posts are true, especially the lies. Everyone is suspicious, and everyone is a suspect.

I think the WW platitudes at the end are particularly interesting because its like he's sorry for lynching SD who he knows is innocent? Very possible. In any case I think Cyneheard is twisting SD a bit. SD was joking early on and explaining that now. Cyneheard is taking him to task NOW for actions that happened earlier, but then in his tone he's not really giving SD a chance to come back. There's a lot of finality and judgement here that feels like an over reaction or an attempt to make it clear this is what has to happen. Let's wax poetic and say it is what it is!

But its not what it is and we can do better. This is like trying to shut down the debate before the end.

Superdeath's response was, in essence "I was joking then, but other than that I've got nothing, are you happy now?" - it was the I've got nothing else part that got to me. He's either being a wolf who decided to hide rather than contribute, or a confused villager who needs to contribute. Voting was to turn up the heat because that response was still him hiding from the job.

Was my second post with platitudes? Uh, yeah? If he's being earnest, then the platitudes might actually be helpful because he's struggling to understand the point of day 1 - trying a different way to explain things because obviously it wasn't working whether because he's not getting it or he's choosing not to get it.

Who do I have a read on? It's hard because there's been a lot of quiet people, and I'm trying to be respectful of time outside the game too.

Obviously willing to go back to pind, whose early wagoning felt off to me and I haven't seen much from him since.

We've got a few people who really haven't said much today. And Bob's barely added anything this evening except a too-earnest "lynch me if you will" that we've all noticed.

Serdoa and Rowain are both people I always struggle to read. I'm not seeing anything different about them from what I seem to remember. Lewwyn, you're as usual flooding the boards with everything and I think on balance it's helpful.

Gaspar's tunneled on me a bit, and when he has he's basically just said "you're suspicious because you are" and that's it, hard for me to be objective.

I'm trying to understand why I'm suspicious at the same time as GKC when we're trying to tell superdeath the same thing. The biggest difference is that I moved my vote to SD but GKC explicitly didn't change his - so what? Every post is an opportunity to change a vote.

This was a good wolfpost. Smears broadly, without making too many substansive claims. I am interested that Pindicator seems to be everyone's favorite bus target.

[Commodore]

Players: (10 alive)

Bobchillingworth - lynched Day 1 - Villager
Serdoa
Gaspar - killed Night 1 - Village Tracker
Lewwyn - killed N2 - Village Commuter
naufragar
superdeath
Commodore
Chevalier Mal Fet
El Grillo - killed Night 1 - Village Hider
scooter
Cyneheard - killed Night 1 - Werewolf Jack of All Trades
Charriu
Meiz alias thrawn - killed N2 - Villager
Rowain
AdrienIer - lynched Day 2 - Villager
GeneralKilCavalry
pindicator

Assuming 3 remaining wolves, a mislynch today has us at lylo tomorrow.

[pindicator]

Comm, or maybe the Vig was dumb and thought Lewwyns extreme attack on scooter was too over the top, as was his Gaspar D1 post, and therefore thought it a good idea to shoot him?

It was a vig shot.

But I put my order to shoot scooter, not Meiz and not Lewwyn.

I have no idea about night 1, that wasn't me.

Just got home, I haven't read the end of evening stuff yet. More thoughts after that

[scooter]

Alright, I think now is the right time to reveal some information about myself before looking elsewhere. I am a one-shot vigilante. I can use it exactly once all game to hit a target of my choice at night. My strategy with this role was to last as long as possible without attracting the attention of a wolf night-kill. My thinking was that the vigilante shot is more valuable the longer you can save it, because it's more likely to hit a wolf later, and it's a bigger game swing to get a wolf kill late in the game. The problem is that this goal meant I had to walk a tightrope of seeming useful enough to not lynch, while also looking slightly bad so the wolves would view me as a viable mislynch target.


Unfortunately, I felt cornered going into today. I feared I would get mislynched Day 3 after yet another round of bad news at the end of yesterday, so I decided to use my shot last night. I attempted to shoot pindicator. I have no idea WTF happened and why he's still alive, but surely he was saved in some way by his fellow wolves. I have no idea how, and I was hoping to comb through the wiki more tonight to try to figure it out. They could have some sort of wolf-doctor, but I would think I'd see a message indicating he was saved or something.


There are several other questions on my mind. First off, what in the world happened to Cyneheard night 1? That was not me. I toyed with the idea of taking a shot on Adrien, but it felt like way too big of a gamble when I also felt like I was positioned pretty well to last awhile. My best guess is we do indeed have a serial killer, though I'm puzzled as to why they'd pick Cyneheard. Targeting Meiz or Lewwyn makes more sense for a SK. The only other guess I have is there's another one-shot vig in the village, which I could see making sense too.


Going forward, I absolutely have to put my vote on pindicator for right now, because I cannot think of an explanation that paints him as anything other than a wolf. Somehow he got saved last night, and I'd like to figure out how. I'm limited on time today (holiday here in the US), but I'll have more time tomorrow or maybe tonight to look into it.

[scooter]

Holy crosspost. Pindicator is 100% a wolf.

[pindicator]

I did re-read the arguments that Lewwyn put end of day against scooter. And I wish i had not been scrambling to put together my own thoughts, catch up on the thread, and get out the door because I was late to leave to visit my parents. But I am guilty of skimming a lot of the end of day 2 because of that. And I missed Lewwyn's very good argument against scooter because of it.

His post where he nails that scooter had posted day 1 that he didn't see any argument against AdrienIer but then on day 2 tried to retcon that he had AdrienIer as his #2 was something I missed in my skimming. That made a lot more sense to me than the arguments earlier in the day.

I also do not like how Rowain was setting up dominos for today. And it just so happened that the vote that broke the scooter - AdrienIer tie was Rowain. Serdoa laid out Rowain's convenient voting day 1 to keep Cyneheard off the top. And Lewwyn was already challenging Rowain about lining up lymches for today.

So I thought i could save us all time by getting scooter answered.

Instead somebody fucked with my action and scooter is still here