WW 46: Wolves Return to Realms Beyond

[Commodore]

Okay, so....NOW FROGGER. YOU UTTER MORON. VOTE SCOOTER. I WILL RIP YOUR FREAKING HEAD OFF AND SHIT DOWN YOUR SPINE. GET. ON. SCOOTER. IF THIS MORONIC VILLAGE CANNOT LYNCH A WOLF AFTER A CLAIM LIKE THAT I AM OFFICIALLY JOINING THE WOLVES.

Why on earth don't you think I'm scum?

Mostly because that read as unctuous villager, not nefarious scumlord. Everyone voting to save Scooter is absolutely on my possible scum list, of course.

[Commodore]

I'm reading over coffee this morning and do we seriously want to kick the scooter-me thing down the road!?

I'm sorry about your keyboard, spitting coffee over it must have been rough.

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

Holy crap on a cracker. Are we REALLY faffing about on General Kill Cavalry after the Great Doubleclaim of Scum? Who should I be properly enraged at?

CMF, you're playing one hell of a first-time scum game, props to you. Roland's returned better than ever.

Or I'm just a terrible villager. 

Scooter, you're doing it man, you really might skate. Have an insoluble logic chain that leads to your lynching being logically required? Don't address it, look, a squirrel. It is working.

Lay out the logic chain for me, clearly. Assume that I am a moron. I'll check between classes at 9:50 and at 10:50 and if it's persuasive I'll change my vote. Like I said, I'm on a razor's edge here.

[Rowain]

@Commodore  Why are you sure that GKC is not scum?

Or is your rage that an easy victory might slip through your paws?

Come now, let's be gentlemen, this gloating is in poor taste. If he's scum, he's a serial killer, just looking at the wolf-bus on him. 

@Rowain What magic dust was sprinkled upon the logic train that led to your heavy-hearted vote for Scooter? How did it disappear?

It didn't disappear. Both pindi and scooter are looking bad with the double-claim. I had GKC very high on my to-lynch list already. So there is nothing new about it and his play does not warrant a change on that.

If you believe that GKC is Serial Killer then you should absolutely vote for him because it reduces the nightkills by 1 and gives a lot more room for errors.

And if he turns out as wolf it is fine too.

BTW there is no gloating from me. It does look like your "When has town -rowain ever done .." from earlier. Just a cheap trick to line up a mislynch.

[Commodore]

Sure, CMF, I'll even use your scumbuddy's post:

Who's company do you prefer to be in? General Kill Cavalry, Charriu, and myself, or Rowain?

Honestly it is this company that I would prefer to stay on pindi.

If one of them is telling the truth it is more likely to be Pindi. I can see vig pindi shooting scooter as he was alternate lynch-candidate although pindicator did not vote for him.

I can't really see why a vig scooter would shoot pindicator.

So with a heavy heart and still thinking pindi is antitown I move my vote to scooter

The intractable logic of their claims means...

@Serdoa
Lets presume we don't lynch scooter today (little chance for that to happen as most of the people have clearly called it a day already) how to proceed tomorrow.
The pindi-scooter problem won't go away. As both claimed 1shot vig they can't proof it any longer. Plain simple if those 2 tell the truth the game is lost.

I just hate that we don't even discuss other possibilities. If we lynch GKC and he is a wolf-jailer, our problem with pindi-scooter does go away. Is that likely? No, I admit that freely. But we could at least discuss about it, ponder on it. Even if we lynch scooter, what then? If he comes up wolf, do we lynch pindicator next anyway? If he comes up village, do we lynch pindicator still? I'm not even sure on most players stance about the two and what each result actually would mean going forward. And imo right now, what we do is simply bad town play. It sets us up to get played by the wolves and a potential 3rd party. Yeah, it is easier I admit, and we have enough posts form everyone that going through them is a chore. But still, just waiting like 44 hours around and making jokes seems not a good use of our time.

I agree with your post and like you I don't see a good way forward with scooter/pindicator. No matter the result - we need to lynch both.

But I'm willing  and GKC has been on my scumlist for some time:  GeneralKilCavalry

Rowain was just looking, explicitly, for a reason to jump off Scooter despite saying that the lynch has to happen. You always lynch the caught wolf first. Competing claims mean one is lying at least. Scooter is 100% lying. Pindicator is 92.3% lying. Lynch the lyingest liar.

@Rowain, I don't know who the SK is, I certainly don't rate GKC high on that list. Certainly not as high as caught scum.

[naufragar]

Ok Comm, consider me cowed.

Scooter

We have 10 people alive now. If we mislynch, we go to 9 on the day, 7 after two night kills. I doubt there are more than 3 wolves, 1 SK alive right now. A mislynch puts us at Lynch or Lose, but then, if my understanding of the SK win condition is correct, he can’t just pop villagers or the wolves win and the SK loses.

The entire game I couldn’t figure out if I had a reason for thinking you were scummy or I just didn’t like the way you argue. You’ve pretty much done nothing but short one sentence palm readings. “So and so feels town, but I could change.” I’m not going to go through your posts, but the last thing I remember from you on GKC was “he feels town, but if not, he’s played a hell of a great first game.” Touchy feely stuff always. You’ve never read into GKC, but you’ve never really done deep dives at all. This is the first time you’ve stuck your neck out, and this goes way beyond anything you could defend by pointing to the sainted Lewwyn.

Ok. If the logic’s insoluble, we get a wolf (or some flavor of scum). If it turns out it wasn’t and Scooter flips town, I get to hop back on to GKC, with all the reasons that make him compelling today plus the fact that you saved him. Then after a GKC lynch, we can lynch you for promising your case was ironclad. If Scooter flips town, we can nab scum on the next two days? I’ll take that deal. By then we might even have a definitive answer on Pindi.

[scooter]

Oh good lord. We get some threats from a guy who's been wrong pretty much all game, and we all just get in line? Cmon, read through the all caps sweary swears. His whole argument is just this.

Scooter is 100% lying.

The only evidence he's provided for this also matches pindicator almost exactly 1-for-1. The only evidence he has is that it's a coin flip between myself and pindicator. Why is he so certain then? My claim and the game I've played match up pretty well. This is ludicrous.

[scooter]

Okay, so....NOW FROGGER. YOU UTTER MORON. VOTE SCOOTER. I WILL RIP YOUR FREAKING HEAD OFF AND SHIT DOWN YOUR SPINE. GET. ON. SCOOTER. IF THIS MORONIC VILLAGE CANNOT LYNCH A WOLF AFTER A CLAIM LIKE THAT I AM OFFICIALLY JOINING THE WOLVES.

Why on earth don't you think I'm scum?

He doesn't think you're scum because you aren't in his werewolf chat. He's extremely confident about a few people's innocence, if you've noticed.

[BRickAstley]

Tally as of post 831:

Lynch votes
6 votes: scooter (Charriu, Commodore, pindicator, GeneralKilCavalry, superdeath, naufragar)
4 votes: GeneralKilCavalry (Serdoa, Rowain, scooter, Chevalier Mal Fet)

Voting history:

SCOOTER

pindicator

scooter

Pindicator

Scooter

scooter

pindicator

scooter

Scooter

scooter

Scooter

Cyneheard

Cyneheard

GeneralKilCavalry

GeneralKilCavalry

GeneralKilCavalry

GeneralKilCavalry

GeneralKilCavalry

Scooter

One hour remaining.

[Rowain]

@Commodore

You miss the point.

I just hate that we don't even discuss other possibilities. If we lynch GKC and he is a wolf-jailer, our problem with pindi-scooter does go away. Is that likely? No, I admit that freely. But we could at least discuss about it, ponder on it. Even if we lynch scooter, what then? If he comes up wolf, do we lynch pindicator next anyway? If he comes up village, do we lynch pindicator still? I'm not even sure on most players stance about the two and what each result actually would mean going forward. And imo right now, what we do is simply bad town play. It sets us up to get played by the wolves and a potential 3rd party. Yeah, it is easier I admit, and we have enough posts form everyone that going through them is a chore. But still, just waiting like 44 hours around and making jokes seems not a good use of our time.

Do you have any answers to Serdoa's questions in there ? Or are you just cracking jokes and pseudo-funny caps?