WW 46: Wolves Return to Realms Beyond

[Rowain]

I agree, I'm also having that sinking feeling.  Rowain's not being helpful in his arguments and he's just tossing out names.  We are going to need to go back and parse the first few days.  I'm sure anything he said today is not reliable, but stuff before he was turning up on people's radars could have some information.

As for a traitor role, do traitors know the wolves ahead of time?  I know when I played the Doctor Saul game I did not know at the start, but i was given a seer ability to help me find them.  I don't have enough experience with these games to know what is customary, however.

Everything i said in the past days is as true as a Villager can be.
I dont think SD would be a policy lynch. On d3 He needed to be reminded to vote scooter because he forgot he had done so on d2. D2 voting scooter was no risk d1 voting Bob as to not kill CH.
Anyway Comm is set to lynch me and He has prepared it with lies about my play and snarky comments the past days. How much hunting he did i leave up for you to decide.

[pindicator]

I would think the simplest answer is another one-shot vig is out there because a vig shot is still the simplest explanation for Cyneheard's death. However, I fully expected that someone would counter claim against me by now, saying that I couldn't be a vig because they were. The fact that nobody has done this yet is puzzling. But I suppose they have their own reasons. Also, 2 vigs would suggest a strong scum faction(s) in order to need to give the village that kind of fire power. But if there is not another vig...

Could we have had some redirecting shenanigans night 1? Assuming my theory for night 2 is correct and the wolves targeted Lewwyn/Meiz and redirected scooter with the other, then night 1 they would likely have done something to redirect Cyneheard to shield him from any tracking/seeing/vig shots. But that would just be the mechanism, there still needs to be a triggerman.

Cyneheard triggering himself as a bomb would make sense if he thought he was going to be the next day's lynch, and we've already discussed that possibility.

I'm not hugely versed in possible roles as this is the only place I've played werewolf/mafia. Outside of SK, vig, and bomb I'm not coming up with anything else for reasons why Cyneheard died night 1. But Cyneheard was not a good SK target since he was lining himself up to be the next day's lynch, which brings me back around to vig or bomb.

[Commodore]

At this point, I cannot conceive of a reason for a village redirector not to claim.

[pindicator]

I agree, I'm also having that sinking feeling.  Rowain's not being helpful in his arguments and he's just tossing out names.  We are going to need to go back and parse the first few days.  I'm sure anything he said today is not reliable, but stuff before he was turning up on people's radars could have some information.

As for a traitor role, do traitors know the wolves ahead of time?  I know when I played the Doctor Saul game I did not know at the start, but i was given a seer ability to help me find them.  I don't have enough experience with these games to know what is customary, however.

Everything i said in the past days is as true as a Villager can be.
I dont think SD would be a policy lynch. On d3 He needed to be reminded to vote scooter because he forgot he had done so on d2. D2 voting scooter was no risk d1 voting Bob as to not kill CH.
Anyway Comm is set to lynch me and He has prepared it with lies about my play and snarky comments the past days. How much hunting he did i leave up for you to decide.

Rowain, what do you make of Commodore and scooter going at each other day 2 if they were scum buddies? And certainly you would have to have other people you've seen interact with Commodore that would be suspicious to you, much as I was getting my suspicions on you based on your voting around scooter and Cyneheard? Or are you suggesting Commodore as a SK?

I really, really do not like how quiet half of the field has gotten here today. That is just adding to it all. Or maybe it's the ambiance I have out my window with the orange smoke. It just seems like Commodore, Rowain, Serdoa, and I talking to each other.

Chevalier Mal Fet, I want to hear from you. I don't like this "do no harm" game you've playing, so do us all a favor and ruffle some feathers. Town doesn't win by being nice and never being wrong. You didn't say that you've never played before, just that you never played here.

crosspost @Commodore- are you saying we need to ask for claims from everyone?

[Charriu]

I would think the simplest answer is another one-shot vig is out there because a vig shot is still the simplest explanation for Cyneheard's death.  However, I fully expected that someone would counter claim against me by now, saying that I couldn't be a vig because they were.  The fact that nobody has done this yet is puzzling.  But I suppose they have their own reasons.  Also, 2 vigs would suggest a strong scum faction(s) in order to need to give the village that kind of fire power.  But if there is not another vig...

Could we have had some redirecting shenanigans night 1?  Assuming my theory for night 2 is correct and the wolves targeted Lewwyn/Meiz and redirected scooter with the other, then night 1 they would likely have done something to redirect Cyneheard to shield him from any tracking/seeing/vig shots.  But that would just be the mechanism, there still needs to be a triggerman.

Cyneheard triggering himself as a bomb would make sense if he thought he was going to be the next day's lynch, and we've already discussed that possibility.

I'm not hugely versed in possible roles as this is the only place I've played werewolf/mafia.  Outside of SK, vig, and bomb I'm not coming up with anything else for reasons why Cyneheard died night 1.  But Cyneheard was not a good SK target since he was lining himself up to be the next day's lynch, which brings me back around to vig or bomb.

I just read up on that bomb role and to me it doesn't make sense or I misunderstand it. If I understand it correctly then there needs to be a killing action against Cyneheard, which kills Cyneheard; activates the bomb and kills the person killing Cyneheard. But El Grillo was a hider and Gaspar a standard villager. How should this work with a bomb?

[Charriu]

Sorry Gaspar was a tracker. But that doesn't change anything regarding my questions

[pindicator]

I just read up on that bomb role and to me it doesn't make sense or I misunderstand it. If I understand it correctly then there needs to be a killing action against Cyneheard, which kills Cyneheard; activates the bomb and kills the person killing Cyneheard. But El Grillo was a hider and Gaspar a standard villager. How should this work with a bomb?

Oh, I thought a bomb was an additional night kill where Cyneheard would be able to blow himself up to do an additional kill.

[Commodore]

To the new people, I'll echo Serdoa:

Werewolf is a frustrating game for a villager. You operate in a fog, knowing only your own alignment and the alignment of the dead. You're going to be wrong, a lot. Sometimes very wrong. Furthermore, that fellow villager who was right about a couple of people? (Hi.) There is absolutely no guarantee that he'll be right the next time, because he's operating in the same fog as you are. Please don't be demoralized, it's an easy game to get wrong but all of you have functioning brains and I'm listening to everyone here for their takes, you all have valuable and valid input. Silence is deadly; that's why Rowain with his sullen/hostile/self-voting act is pushing so hard to demoralize and quiet the village. That attitude is why I'm pretty sure we have a scum there, but he's still fighting a toxic, hostile fight for his remaining scumbuddy(s).

I don't know for sure if a mass-claim is good yet. It's a cure for boredom, but I don't know if giving the remaining scum factions targets is worth the added information.

[Charriu]

I just read up on that bomb role and to me it doesn't make sense or I misunderstand it. If I understand it correctly then there needs to be a killing action against Cyneheard, which kills Cyneheard; activates the bomb and kills the person killing Cyneheard. But El Grillo was a hider and Gaspar a standard villager. How should this work with a bomb?

Oh, I thought a bomb was an additional night kill where Cyneheard would be able to blow himself up to do an additional kill.

But is that not kind of stupid? I mean keeping Cyneheard around for another day would have been the better option. Either the village would have lynched him the next day, which comes down to the same result as using the bomb thingy or there could have been a chance that Cyneheard survived day 2.

[Rowain]

To the new people, I'll echo Serdoa:

Werewolf is a frustrating game for a villager. You operate in a fog, knowing only your own alignment and the alignment of the dead. You're going to be wrong, a lot. Sometimes very wrong. Furthermore, that fellow villager who was right about a couple of people? (Hi.) There is absolutely no guarantee that he'll be right the next time, because he's operating in the same fog as you are. Please don't be demoralized, it's an easy game to get wrong but all of you have functioning brains and I'm listening to everyone here for their takes, you all have valuable and valid input. Silence is deadly; that's why Rowain with his sullen/hostile/self-voting act is pushing so hard to demoralize and quiet the village. That attitude is why I'm pretty sure we have a scum there, but he's still fighting a toxic, hostile fight for his remaining scumbuddy(s).

I don't know for sure if a mass-claim is good yet. It's a cure for boredom, but I don't know if giving the remaining scum factions targets is worth the added information.

Please Commodore. It are your constant lies about me and your constant shitty comments toward me that lead to that. What will you say when you see i'm a blue villager? GG and sorry? Thanks alot.