WW 46: Wolves Return to Realms Beyond

[Serdoa]

Ok, maybe everyone can take a deep breath and relax? This is a game, meant to be fun. Yes, it is sometimes frustrating, but with 8 players currently, I think it is safe to assume that at least 5 of us are just stumbling around, some going more by a theoretical approach (that nonetheless can lead one astray), some go more by gut (and some have enough of it, to have a long way to go). And 2 to 3 are trying to set traps.

Also, this is not the hunger games. Losing just means having more time to do other things - not having an eternity to lament the living (though I'm sure the lurker thread does read a little like that - hi Lewwyn )

That's...awful, Superdeath.

It is. And the following posts have not been better. Maybe just tell him to reveal. apparently you are the "mayor" now . I'm also fine to mass reveal and I assume most others are too, as I doubt we have a ton of roles to be revealed still. Rowain already stated his is vanilla villager. That leaves only nauf, SD, CMF, Charriu and me.

So here's the thing. I'm 90% on Pindicator being serial killer. There are far too many scenarios where he's SK, and far to few where he's being honest. Him killing GKC would be excellent for framing a big chunk of village. But it is 100% Rowain has either histrionically flipped his lid and declared war on the village, or he's scum. We're already carrying one useless load, can we afford to carry two duds into the endgame?

I don't agree with you on this one Commodore. If pindicator is SK and - as you stated you don't believe we have just one wolf left - letting the SK live so we will have two night-kills if you don't get your doctoring right, seems bad. Even if we had 100% certainty on Rowain - and we don't. And yes, I'd rather go into endgame with Rowain and SD but without an SK than the other way round. Because that is imo a surefire way to get in the most likely scenario of "SK vs Wolves" with us relegated as king-maker. We had that game already at least once here at RB, I can still remember parts of it. I'd rather not do it again.

Liar. You smear me with lies and incorrect townrowain would do this and that without any prove since several days.
I have not declared war on the Village. But i agree that it is ok to lynch me. 2 wolfteams are in no way more complicated than wolfteam + SK.
Now you talk about an SK-apprentice and still you are not called out on your bullshit.
Btw funny that pindi is now suddenly nearly confirmed scum to you.

As for the two wolf-pack theory: I thought I was clear enough yesterday, but as I seemingly was not: It is illogical. Rowain you are so absolutely certain on Commodore you try to make everything fit that suspicion. Please reconsider that stance, it is actively hurting us. And then tell me logically: Why, if he is team purple with me, would I start a discussion on pindicator? Because in your theory CMF is a villager, you are a villager, pindicator is a villager as well (an SK makes no sense in that theory, as he would have never killed...). So, team purple is playing so well that we both have deep cover, but then I decide to not let the lynch run its course on you, not join pindicator on CMF to get another mislynch in and then have you or pindicator as potential lynches the next day? Why would I do that? Honestly, my play makes no sense if I am in a team with Commodore. My play makes no sense if I am a wolf at all. And if I am not a wolf, your theory of the purple wolf-team evaporates.

If you are indeed not a wolf, you must realize that they can just sit back and relax right now, just waiting for the lynch to happen. And if you realize that and that your two wolf-pack theory doesn't make sense with the players you picked out for it, maybe you could realize that your suspicion of Commodore is tainting your vision. If you are a villager, you know he is wrong on you. Then please consider that you can be wrong on him as well.

[Charriu]

So here is how I see the field so far

Trust-list:

Serdoa: I had a good feeling about him for the past days. I still count his Cyneheard vote from day 1 as a plus. Recently this trust was eroding a bit with his trap on GKC yesterday. But it seems Commodore is still trusting him, who knows him longer and whom I count safe as town.

Commodore: I can't see how he's not town. He assisted Lewwyn on day 2 against scooter and took up the baton on day 3, screaming his lungs out to lynch scooter and he was right. Today he claimed to be the doctor painting a big target on him for the night. If he's a serial killer that move would super dangerous as he must fear to be killed by the wolves. Him being a wolf is equally unlikely as he must fear to be killed by the serial killer at night and as I want to iterate again he screamed scooter to the lynch.


Distrust-list:

Superdeath:

Rowain: I said so in the past that I will have a closer look at him on day 3. I have to say I'm not totally convinced to distrust him. All his posts after scooter revealed himself and even as he was confirmed wolf, were so strange, awkward and anti-town. The only thing today that makes me doubt my judgement of him today is his Bob-like behaviour.

pindicator: I'm still not totally convinced of his innocence. I still think that the theory that scooter being wolf and pindicator being a serial killer holds water. The only thing that can lift my doubt about him is if we find out how Cyneheard died on night 1.


Undecided:

naufragar: His flip-flopping on the scooter vote on day 3 makes me keep him here in my undecided category. On the one hand his vote sealed the deal on scooter, on the other hand he could have tried to safe scooter with votes for GKC. I know he answered about that and I'm still somewhat undecided if I should trust him. I'm tending towards town-lean here.

Chevalier: I'm feeling somewhat sorry to put him here. I like he's tone, but I have to try to leave that aside. What puts him here is his defense of scooter.


I'm hard pressed on deciding between Rowain and pindicator. My gut feeling is that Superdeath holds the secret to the whole serial killer riddle especially after our last interaction, but the only way I see Superdeath forcing us to tell us anything is by voting for him. So Superdeath, I beg of you please tell us more then what you already have told us.

[BRickAstley]

Tally as of post 945:

Lynch votes
4 votes: Rowain (Commodore, Chevalier Mal Fet, Rowain, naufragar)
2 votes: Chevalier Mal Fet (pindicator, superdeath)
1 votes: pindicator (Serdoa)
1 votes: Superdeath (Charriu)

Voting history:

Rowain

Rowain

Rowain

Rowain

Rowain

Rowain

Rowain

Chevalier Mal Fet

pindicator

Chevalier Mal Fet

Superdeath

3 Hours and 7 Minutes Remaining.

[Commodore]

Charriu, that's no use. I doubt SD will grace with his presence again today.

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

One Night has a Miller, who WANTS to be lynched by the town.

Is there such a thing in online wolf, and could that be SD's play?

[Rowain]

@Serdoa
Why would anybody kill GKC at night and not Commodore?
Why would Wolf Rowain let that annoying something live.
Read the post from C during the past several days. Why would I willingly endure his remarks?
Why does C in every post he directs at me try his utmost to antagonise me. That is not town play at all.
I'm willing to concede that you are town but I see nothing that excuses C's behavior .

@cmf yes that role could exist.

[pindicator]

Ok, maybe everyone can take a deep breath and relax? This is a game, meant to be fun. Yes, it is sometimes frustrating, but with 8 players currently, I think it is safe to assume that at least 5 of us are just stumbling around, some going more by a theoretical approach (that nonetheless can lead one astray), some go more by gut (and some have enough of it, to have a long way to go). And 2 to 3 are trying to set traps.

I wish I could quote the setup thread because my first post in it applies so well. Anyway, thought I was doing well with keeping things fun. But the whole Cyneheard thing, in one form another, is just getting to me.

Pin, look at it this way, think of it as a Dread Pirate Roberts thing. Goodnight Pin, I'll probably lynch you in the morning.

Ha, thank you for that

[Serdoa]

Rowain, I don't ask you to excuse Commodores behavior. I just ask you to play for the village. If you are a villager, voting for yourself is not doing us any favors. If you are a villager, being upset about Commodore isn't doing us any favors. If Commodores claim is true or not I am sure the following night will illuminate. But till then, I'd like if villagers would actually play according to our best information. And that is that we have an SK running around and I've presented why this SK could be pindicator. And beyond my case that also makes sense given his play, not being aligned with the wolves (see: scooter) but not being aligned with town either. As SK you have to prevent making any enemies.

(That last one is also a reason why players questioning if I could be an SK should ask themselves if I played in a way to not make enemies...)

[Rowain]

@Serdoa
I don't see C agreeing with you. No appology and still his vote on me.
As long as that is the case I prefer to be lynched and not having to endure another day of his "funny" comments.

Ps. With the current votes me switching to pindi doesn't change anything

[Serdoa]

Well,

a) he stated he sees pindicator to 90% as serial killer. Trust me, I would love to hear his take why it is still better to lynch a potential wolf, when he also believes that there is more than one wolf still left, leaving us with 2 nightkills. That makes no sense - but if he doesn't explain it and doesn't die in the night, I would surely hope that the village will question him tomorrow. I can't do more than lay these things out in plain sight for anyone to maybe give a damn...

b) if it doesn't matter if you switch, than you are free to switch and you will still leave this game in approx. 1.5 hour and won't have to endure his comments any longer

But if finally a few players are willing to listen to my arguments and do switch we could get the serial killer lynched and maybe have a shot at winning this game after all.