[NO PLAYERS] Lurking and Mapmaking PB55

[GeneralKilCavalry]

I have two map options. I'll send them here later, but I'd really like some more lurker input this time around

[GeneralKilCavalry]

Balancing between coastal and non-coastal starts to give 14 food, 3 hammers, and 3 commerce from the 3 food resources, assuming no financial.

Each start gets 3 luxuries, 1 ivory, 1 wine, 1 calendar resource.

Coastal starts get 9 forests, inland ones get 11. All starts have 4 hills, 2 plains, 2 grassland, 1 of the plains hills will have no forest covering, the other 3 will necessarily be covered by forest.

Each start will have bronze/horses within 7 tiles (the map is quite large), and marble/stone exactly 6 tiles apart, in opposite direction. There will be a source of gold or silver or gems on a plains hill available for a second city that doesn't share food with the capital.

Questions for lurkers: should I tone down to two food resources?

These might be lush starts by RB standards, but the rest of the terrain will be quite standard, just like in PB52.

[Kaiser]

Please give Commodore his deer, lurking that will be great :D

[scooter]

Got any screenshots? Descriptions don't really do anything for me. I need to see them.

[GeneralKilCavalry]

Here's the save file+screenshots of the two main starting configurations.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/guc2esf3qasts6...BSave?dl=0

[Charriu]

Give me some more hours and you will get comments from me about the starts.

You can also look in my signature for more general map making tips.

[Charriu]

Here my feedback. Bare in mind that I don't know everybodys complaints from PB52, so feel free to disregard contraticting feedback from me.

General

• I think moving one of the luxuries out of the initial BFC makes for a less lush start, but not necessarily worse start.
  
• I like that the player has more then 2 directions to go to with their scout.
  

The inland start

• You made sure that you can reach the deer with one worker movement from the city. Good job.
  
• Keep the plains forest deer in the second ring. If it's in the first ring it will speed up the worker compared to other starts.
  

The coastal start

• The wine on a plains hill on a river is a strong incentive to move the settler there and found there.
  
• Placing the sugar on a river makes for a nice option of farming the sugar pre-Calendar. But for the sake of balance keeping it of fresh water might be the right call here. Just keep it in mind.
  

Otherwise so far I like what you present. Will have a look at the full map next.

[mackoti]

I think coastal start is weaker thrn the inland one , for a bit of fairnes maybe get forest  on the phants.

[Charriu]

Map in general:

• Feels a lot bigger then PB52 with all the islands. Maybe we don't need that many islands.
  
• Maybe make some islands only reachable by Astronomy for some late-game discoveries
  
• I noticed that east of 1 and south of 3 is the biggest island. Interesting.
  
• I noticed that the southern islands have a lot more strategic resources compared to the northern
  

Player specific

Player 1:

• Does not have a seafood on their eastern coast line. This may lead the player to disregard a coastal city there and delay them to settling the big island east of them. Player 3 has it easier here.
  
• The southern shoreline is also bare of seafood
  
• Horses are quite far away (NW) maybe swap them with the copper E
  

Player 4:

• Where is the stone?
  
• And the uranium
  
• Looks like there are a way less luxury resources around this start compared to others
  
• Maybe add one additional unique luxury there
  

Player 5:

• Has no easy access to stone compared to the others
  
• Lacks uranium
  

Player 7:

• Lacks uranium
  
• Maybe add a land-based oil on one of the nearby islands
  

Player 8:

• Uranium?
  

[GeneralKilCavalry]

I think all the deer are in second ring - I'll double check. It's fair to make all ivory second-ring for coastal starts then, and have them be forested, thanks mackoti!

Forgot about uranium. I felt like 1 and 3 might be the most constrained?

I'll make some islands astronomy only, perhaps the middle chain. I'll also reduce the size of some of them/remove some perhaps.

Forgot to balance uranium, thanks.

Thanks Charriu!