WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[Meiz]

Still, sunrise is giving something to discuss for even if it would not be much. And the real discussion, not the rp flavored stuff is where the tone reads can come more easily as well. So I think it's good that people answer even if the original questioning might be grasping at straws.

[Meiz]

I do agree that I was on the same content level as many others at the time of votes. Commodore, why did you pick me above others?

[sunrise089]

@Gaspar - I was gonna come back hard until I realized you weren't novice. The avatar thing is fun but demands caution. A few other responses:

*Two games ago I think Day-1 vote patterns were important. Or at least during the game several people noted that the formation of bandwagons and subsequent (lack of) movement was illuminating.

*You don't need to justify the Commodore or novice votes. As you can see I'm pinging novice too and I'm assigning zero negative points to random Day 1 flavor votes.

*To the extent I'm asking you to vote justify its not because you voted for Meiz, it's because you moved off your original vote right after your original target moved to your new target while also, in my mind, having your vote justification be a stretch. I'm not swearing a blood-oath against you but relative to the other Meiz voters I think you looked worse at the time. Do you disagree?

*You don't like vote analysis and want to focus on tone. Fine. But somehow the game has to generate enough substance Day 1 to have tone to talk about. For you that's Meiz's contributions relative to baseline - him "not being an awesome villager." So when specifically was he supposed to start taking the game seriously? What damning post was his scum-dar ignoring? Because it sure didn't seem like your scumdar was doing much of anything until you voted Meiz. Was he supposed to vote for himself?

I started this planning to move off you onto novice or one of the lurkers but I think I'll sit here a bit more

[sunrise089]

Try reading someone and seeing how it conforms/doesn't conform to what you expect from them/scum.

Separate response to this. This is fair. But more power to you if you can make consistent tone reads in a game where 1/3 the players have played 1 game to-date, another 1/3 haven't played here in years, and half are roleplaying. That's not sarcasm - I agree reading tone is useful and important. But to me those aspects make it challenging and so I can't solely rely on it.

[Rowain]

Rowain -> Gaspar, pushback on Gaspar's vote being tied to flavor

Not entirely. It was a reaction to the high agggression level in Gaspars post. Angry Gaspar is town-Gaspar super-angry Gaspar is wolfy Gaspar.

[Rowain]

@BRick  I would appreciate it if you could make the tally with the real names.

[sunrise089]

Thanks for clarifying Rowain, especially since I wasn't trying to push any pressure your way. Here's what I think is the full exchange:

You're all idiots. But there's no way I'm playing game with a dolphin, at least the other idiots speak so I can catch them in their lies.

OTOH Gaspar you are too rude and calling the spirit of the sea names is never wise.

So if I'm understanding your clarification correctly you see/saw Gaspar's post as extra-aggressive irrespective of his House persona?

[Rowain]

@Patsy Stone Won't you come and sit down for a cup of tea and talk about your impression of this nice town full of Heros so far? You had enough time to form some opinions, ne?

and perhaps those two persons in one (Statler and Waldorf) can join in too?

[Rowain]

Thanks for clarifying Rowain, especially since I wasn't trying to push any pressure your way. Here's what I think is the full exchange:

You're all idiots. But there's no way I'm playing game with a dolphin, at least the other idiots speak so I can catch them in their lies.

OTOH Gaspar you are too rude and calling the spirit of the sea names is never wise.

So if I'm understanding your clarification correctly you see/saw Gaspar's post as extra-aggressive irrespective of his House persona?

For one I don't know Dr House.. I do gather that he is an pill-chumping "nice" person. But still I felt his post to be too aggro.
I did not see you pushing anything towards me - I just wanted to make clear that it was not a joke/throwaway vote

[Meiz]

House is an arrogant prick who likes to call out others as idiots.