WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[Lewwyn]

I'm saying if my read on Commodore as town is correct then to the wolves we had 3 town at the top of the voting. Why would they get impassioned with their votes or argue cases at that point? So the inactive people around then are more suspect (accounting for time zones of course), but I don't have a list of names yet because I haven't done a reread. But I do remember some of the more active names which I would read as town leaning on this theory

That's what you're saying now, that's not precisely what you said in response to Gaspar.

[pindicator]

Yeah, I expanded from that in my response to Gaspar. For day 2 lazy wolves have a fantastic narrative they can jump in on and look productive: that we should lynch Commodore to find out what happened with his late vote and if he was protecting me. So I am also suspicious of people who only want to push that and haven't contributed any actual scum hunting on day 2

[Lewwyn]

Yeah, I expanded from that in my response to Gaspar. For day 2 lazy wolves have a fantastic narrative they can jump in on and look productive: that we should lynch Commodore to find out what happened with his late vote and if he was protecting me. So I am also suspicious of people who only want to push that and haven't contributed any actual scum hunting on day 2

Sure but who is that? You've been pretty active today so if this is what you think you should be able to tell us who falls into this category specifically. I also think this is sort of backwards scumhunting. Scum would do this, lets find someone who does this they must be scum...

[Meiz]

Yeah, I expanded from that in my response to Gaspar. For day 2 lazy wolves have a fantastic narrative they can jump in on and look productive: that we should lynch Commodore to find out what happened with his late vote and if he was protecting me. So I am also suspicious of people who only want to push that and haven't contributed any actual scum hunting on day 2

And my question was, who are these people in your mind that you've now (day 2) grown more suspicious of.

[pindicator]

Yeah, I expanded from that in my response to Gaspar. For day 2 lazy wolves have a fantastic narrative they can jump in on and look productive: that we should lynch Commodore to find out what happened with his late vote and if he was protecting me. So I am also suspicious of people who only want to push that and haven't contributed any actual scum hunting on day 2

Sure but who is that? You've been pretty active today so if this is what you think you should be able to tell us who falls into this category specifically. I also think this is sort of backwards scumhunting. Scum would do this, lets find someone who does this they must be scum...

First off, that's not how I'm going about this. See, this was also why I hadn't said anything at the very beginning of day 1 yet: I didn't have a list of names, I just had a theory on where to find scummy behavior. Honest gut feeling answer? Meiz, but I might just be thinking of him because he keep suspecting me and it's always natural that you'll have those people in the back of your mind first. Also I didn't want to go accusing him without re-reading his 100+ posts (is it 100 now? It's damn close if it isn't). What I thought of Meiz was that he had the RP-heavy and spam heavy day 1 until he was called out by Gaspar and Commodore votes. Then he acts like Meiz. Then I can't really recall how he was acting at the end of the day yesterday. Then overnight he's asking a lot of questions and posting a lot of spam. And again today, I don't think I can recall him putting forward any other cases rather than "pindicator or Commodore" - but again, this is all recollection and I can't keep 15 people in my head so I need to re-read. Rowain was also on that list a bit but I just always think of how Rowain lines up his linches as being scummy - like I did in 46 - so I'm giving him a pass still. Also, it helps that he brought up a case on Kaiser, so he is looking elsewhere.

[pindicator]

Dammit, now I'm actually reading Meiz. 95 posts, not 100. But this is going to take F-O-R-E-V-E-R

[Meiz]

FWIW, I'm the first one to criticize Rowain's... unorthodox play generally.  But really, he's just putting the horse before the cart and telling us what's in the cart.  We lynch Commodore for reasons repeated ad nauseum.  If he flips scum, then pindicator is the obvious next target, for reasons repeated ad nauseum.  If Commodore flips town, it doesn't clear pindicator, but it does make all the other circumstantial evidence around pindicator void and we need to reassess him based on his play today.  I don't see anything dangerous about it.

The dangerous part - or perhaps it's the clever part - is that I'm seeing some people do nothing but discuss this. At least Rowain did a bit on Kaiser before switching back to this theory. But it's excellent cover for lazy wolf play. And there are several people who have upped a few scum points in my book for doing nothing but talk about me and Commodore today.

Yeah, I expanded from that in my response to Gaspar. For day 2 lazy wolves have a fantastic narrative they can jump in on and look productive: that we should lynch Commodore to find out what happened with his late vote and if he was protecting me. So I am also suspicious of people who only want to push that and haven't contributed any actual scum hunting on day 2

Thought this is your original quote which suggests that you are seeing several people doing nothing but discussing you & commodore and not doing any actual scum hunting. At the top of my head (but I haven't checked back now) I couldn't recall many people actually doing this (focusing on just this and avoiding other scum hunting) so I wanted to see if your read here is genuine or not.

I think I've at least expanded on other suspects as well today, though it's true resolving Commodore's alignment is my #1 priority.

[Lewwyn]

It wouldn't be the worst if someone besides the loudest mouths gave their own reads though, because to use novices language, there are a lot of small footprints out there right now.

I actually took last evening off for this reason. And I will take off this afternoon too to see what other people say. But yes, there is not enough from some people.

[pindicator]

I think I've at least expanded on other suspects as well today, though it's true resolving Commodore's alignment is my #1 priority.

What do you think about GES then?

[pindicator]

Oh god Meiz, I'm getting mad at you again reading your shitty attacks on me for my first sunrise vote .  You either were a bad reader or deliberately moving the goal posts on me.