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WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

WoT started on #815

Part 1

People had different opinions on my wall of text last time, I put my notes in spoilers so it is easier to read.

Meiz
Still poking a lot and leading good arguments, sadly his play evolved less certain town for me due to some posts starting night1. The unexplained kill list #428 surprised me as well as some buddying up with Lewwyn #443, #550 and Rowain #573,# 635. I personally have had difficulties with Rowains post there and this was marked big red in my post. I am still convinced that gazglum was town and find it difficult to follow the train of thought on why the wolves would like to hide alignment (#632). Please enlighten me!
He later mistrusts Lewwyn #638 should comm and pindicator turn wolf. besides buddying up with him before. 
He keeps on comm and pindi and while I follow by now why this is an information heavy lynch target, I feel he has been justifying this a lot and has seriously investigated fewer people than day1. (Mostly Lewwyn and Rowain, he was defending the latter as well frequently)
He seemed different than Day 1

  • early vote of Lewwyn
  • picks up here the game I was expecting from him since we played WW47. Being inquisitive and poking people with detailed question to get detailed answers.
  • #183 first read on gaspar as a null tell, continues questioning people
  • #186 town lean on Gaspar due to having similar difficulties reading RP posts
  • #190 read on Bob maybe using Gaspar's early post to paint him as scum. Vote on thrawn, no explanation, pindicator 2nd target
  • #195 reason for thrawn vote (lack of contribution, not participation)
  • #197, #201 calming the Meiz train discussion (Sunrise, Gaspar, GES)
  • #209 no read on rowain so far
  • crosspost #217 shares my opinion on Jabbz voting argument without having read it at this point
  • crosspost #218 explains pindicator suspicion
  • crosspost #221 challenges thrawn on his claim about Gaspar setting up teams
  • crosspost #222 votes pindicator based of #218
  • crosspost #234 WK feels towny due to recent post
  • #243 challenges novice for his commodore vote
  • crosspost #249 explains why he thinks pindicator is scummy
  • crosspost #273 read on GES as no scum indication so far
  • crosspost #274 would like pindicator and commodore as leading lynch candidates and hopes for Lewwyn to chime in
  • #284 Kaiser town lean
  • #306 Meiz suspect of Lewwyn for hammering his case on thrawn
  • #312 distrusts Lewwyn for his order of investigation because it does not fit his
  • #327 disagrees with pindis history statement, explains his pindicator suspicion as being to shallow logic for his sunrise vote (Gaspar town => sunrise wolf as he is suspicious of Gaspar)
  • #330 leans to Lewwyn trying to save pin and comm simultaneously
  • #334 points to me a good Commodore summary, wonders why Lewwyn has Commodore and Gaspar both as towny
  • #342 pushing for pindi by stating that he never had a town view (wolf mindset) and no real digging
  • #397 has not much reason to lynch thrawn despite Lewwyns insisitence
·        #418 assumes wolves did not know thrawns alignment
·        #426 points out that Lewwyns understanding of thrawns role would benefit him as more towny
·        #428 kill list (Rowain, Lewwyn, Commodore, Pindicator)
·        #443 considers teaming up with Lewwyn
·        #475 confirms mis naming of GES likely, checks pindicator for Comm feeling
·        #498 agrees with Omar thoughts, Lewwyn town, WK town, Kaiser helpful, pindi or comm scum
·        #499 checks sunrise for having a town lean on Gaspar just before final lynch tally day1
·        #500 Jabbz suspicious play on day1
·        #506 pushes Jabbz to reveal more on the push on comm as well as his read on gaspar
·        #507 thinks AdrienIer knews quite sure that wolves do not knew thrawns alignment
·        #509 wants Adriens take on comm
·        #514 wants Adrien to elaborate on his neutral/positive comm
·        #519 Meiz confirms novice view on the Jabbz on comm park, but would have weighted it lower
·        #524checks if comm means by the last discussion that Jabbz is town
·        #527 gets back to comm about his Novice is after me these. Thinks comm should seach more for suspects beyond that. In his opinions there are legit reasons to be suspicious of comms day1
·        #536 Meiz talked a lot during night and asked quite a lot of questions as well but says here that we should not have done so
·        #539 big post
o   Comm has been lazy day1 (Gaspar and GES) => priority lynch day2 points out to Gazglum that this fits also with his argument on wolves avoiding town leans.
o   Pindi lack of scum hunting strong scum tendency, scum
o   GES surface level play, good wolf cover
o   Jabbz dismissing comm case day1 not a great start, not convinced needs to pick up day2
o   Gazglum depends ond GES and pindi alignment, good post at the right time about choosing vote targets. Questions about gaspar and bob clarification (bald man?)
o   Lewwyn thrawn hammering seems better, needs good review as wolves might not have known alignment. Thrawn train valid
o   Rowain neutral/townish nightime posts positive
o   Bob – null
o   Alhambram – null
o   AdrienIer – null, would fit as comm scum buddy though
o   WK loves RP, good train of thought and good suspicions, agreeing with Meiz
o   Novice good take on Gaspar and Comm vote
o   Gaspar good read
o   Cyneheard more towny due to genuine thoughts
o   Kaiser town lean due to massive post, gives freely his thoughts

·        #550 buddy up with Lewwyn on Gazglum having been a high suspect target on him
·        #555 checks rowain on his agreement with Meiz eod reads
·        #573 joins rowain on his commodore vote and agres to his reads and strategy (everybody besides Gaspar and Novice is lynchable)
·        #632 town lean on Adrien and Rowain for investigating alternative gazglum death scenarios.
o   Wants Rowain to elaborate on comm – pindi clarification lynch.
o   Alhambram helpful today. Likes his scenario #585
o   Wk on the same page as Meiz.
o   Points out to Kaiser that hiding alignment was helpful to non-town.
o   Answers Jabbz that comm seems to be holding back info in contrast to last game. Voting ok but remaining play looks like comm scum. Points to Gaspar #626. Comm refusing to hunt #612 increases vote strength on him. Likes Novice prodding GESand pind. Has a feeling that Comm and pindi are scum together.
o   Does not want to fixate on the night kill but on players today
·        #635 defends rowains argument from Jabbz
·        #637 defends rowain from jabbz (Jabbz more suspicious now)
·        #638 mistrust Lewwyn if comm and pindi turn up scum
·        #643 Gaspar sounds the same even without roleplaying, dislikes if people hide behind have to choose from available options
·        #655 prods pindi to detaile the players he means
·        #657 is not lazy but wants to check pindi for facts
·        #666 precizes to pindi that his question was about the day2 people
·        #669 confirms to pindi that comm alignment his #1 priority, wanted to confirm if pindis read was genuine in #653
·        #691 gets back to comm, answers in post #539. Pindi suspicious based on lack of contribution. Comm and pindi were his lynch preferences day1, alarm bells ringed when Lewwyn trained on thrawn, was more interested in lynch preference alignment as it would hint at Lewwyn
·        #695 pokes comm on his pindi read
·        #699 was not tilted by pindi
·        #702 states that he does not want to hold Jabbz back from reads, wants reads
·        #739 belives GES claim, no alarm bells from his long post. Wants a lynch preference from him. Will watch his voting behaviour. Wants more instant thoughts
·        #740 comm has a opposite read to Meiz, waits for him to flip before reevaluating
·        #741 Alhambram shall not hold back his reads
·        #742 checks Lewwyn accusation of Adrien, thinks that pindi has investigated but had not achieved any results. Could be scum play providing cover
·        #747 does not see Adriens argument for a sure comm town read
·        #750 confirms his vote is on comm but he has been commenting the other players
·        #754 answers Lewwyn, Als play similar to last game, straightforward and simplistic, has at least tried to contribute today. Confirms keeping his vote on comm as there has been no major change
·        #756 questions how GEs knows that there are 5 scum
·        #766 gets explained by Gaspar that GES was talking about 4 scum unless Lewwyn is also scum
·        #768 Answers Adrien that WK is a stronger town lean due to openly sharing reads
·        #793 explains Jabbz quite well, dislike comm and pindi lynches did not put enough effort in understanding. Prefers a comm lynch right now to get info on Jabbz day2 as well

Sunrise
Has a better town feel for me now, also because I feel he has been asking good questions after coming back from his emergency (good luck there btw) but maybe as well because he was less participating and drew less heat. I hope he will be following up on the analysis he mentioned in #759 as I would love to see his train of thought there. 

 
  • early vote AdrienIer
  • #67 points out voting progression pattern between Commodore and Gaspar coming late on the Meiz train, might have been early in the day but a good discussion topic
  • #69 vote Gaspar as he was last to jump on Meiz at that time and his argument seemed to be constructed. Inquires with novice and commodore about their thoughts behind their posts 
  • #70 inquires Kaiser about his statement regarding nice Skeletor
  • #75 details his questions towards Gaspar
  • #79 inquires Rowain about hsi vote on Gaspar
  • #126 defends his reasoning towards pindicator, points out that wolves could slip up due to knowledge advantage when defending/posting
  • #147 summary, novice has answered sufficiently, commodore did explain his vote, though it still feels liek it had been a strechted argument. Asks Gaspar to answer on his #75 and tries to bait Gaspar by stating that he is a wolf
  • #149 wants Lewwyn, Alhambram, Bob and GES to participate more
  • #193 explains his questioning of Gaspar and his WW hunting approach. Asks Gaspar again to answer on his question. Points out to funny exchange between Novice and Lewwyn around the phrase "holding back" (3rd party codewords?)
  • #196 current read overview post, gives partially up on Gaspar answering him. Scum current: Gaspar #1, thrawn #2 (participation style), Lewwyn#3 (participation style). Alhambram, Kaiser, Bob - low participation. Cyneheard, Jabbz, and WK - poor signal to noise ratio. Commodore, Pindicator - quality posts but bad readings / votes. Gold - good signal in his last post
  • #200 points Meiz to reread Gaspars argument #72 for the vote on Meiz
  • #202 thanks Gaspar for the reply, but keeps him as #1. Changes to Lewwyn to check him for his low content
  • #205 explains why he found the Commodore / GES interaction weird. He points out that GES has a 2 sane reads on Gaspar and Commodore
  • #206 shares GES difficulty understand why commodore does not undertand his post
  • #258 list of get out of day1 free people
  • #407 votes thrawn due to begging for stuff to talk about, then Lewwyn hammering thrawn, then pindicator woe is me. Gaspar town read based on GES remark
·        #422 was wondering why thrawn was not coached, lynch result explains it
·        #531 answers Meiz question about Gaspars omar remark mit #295, suspicious of GES and Comm for to much RP
·        #543 likes Kaisers non mega posts, is unconvinced of mega post utility. Jabbz scum lean due to minimum necessary activity. Does not find translation complaints sincere especially pindicator / commodore. Lewwyn less scummy. Thrawn was a relative clear mislynch
·        #545 good points by rowain on Q lynch vote reading

·        #628 emergency out
·        #759 thrawn was mega scummy, makes some interesting observations regarding voting changes (meiz off thrawn to pindi, Cyneheard pindi, Rowain Comm Gaspar Comm with shallow not thrawn argument). Analysis why people joined on thrawn. Question for Lewwyn, things to research
·        #770 fair point to Bob complaining about comm formatiing as well but expects more attention from players nevertheless
·        #774 Lewwyn is suspect due to general behaviour, vote analysis good post needs more reading
·        #778 Summary post with leans, please read yourself good thoughts
o   Town: Meiz, Rowain
o   Under inspection: Lewwyn, Adrien, Kaiser
o   Scum lean: Comm, Pindi, Jabbz, Gaspar
·        #780 vote commodore

Novice
I am feeling less neutral on though it is difficult to point to the exact reaso,. In general he is quite inquisitive and asks typically questions which seem to be quite goal-oriented, he is just a bit over the place and so it feels random (personal questionmark here). I am not overemphasizing his last 2nd switch to pindi as I believe that the wolves did not know thrawns alignment. The itch I have might be coming from him following up with Rowain frequently (#446, #486, I had the feeling there were more occasions) neutral lean besides beeing in an evil tag team with Rowain which I cannot identify right now any moe

  • early vote on Gaspar
  • #46 early early voting pattern analysis on votes on Meiz, started a good discussion
  • #47 poking Gazlug
  • #58 poking Bob
  • #85 good explanation of his #46
  • #90 points out that he likes bandwaggoning. Also questions Gaspar on double standards between him and Sunrise
  • #96 town sunrise lean and support Gazglum#83
  • #113+ questions Jabbz on his accusation on him
  • #124 confirms Lewwyn that it was earnest post formulated RP, implication unclear as Lewwyn did not give a read on it
  • #172 poking thrawn about his play in WW47 and how he wants to play here
  • #175 handing out free passes to rusty people and bob, keeps vote on Gaspar as there is no clear other suspect, so bandwaggoning and tenous sunrise claim are enough for him
  • #176 holding back interaction
  • #208 asks about opinions on Rowain, fumbles around the holding back interaction
  • crosspost #238 rephrases his question to thrawn
  • crosspost #241 switches from Gaspar to Commodore for no reasons given
  • crosspost #245 still no reasoning for Commodore vote beyond not mislynched WW46/47, weak
  • crosspost #258 list with crossed out people, likely town?
  • crosspost #262 explains Commodore vote based on him being slow about GES post
  • Novice #291 commodore smart and into roleplay, should make the effort to try to understand
  • #295 asks AdrienIer why he defends commodore but voted just shortly before for GES for being lazy (He didn’t he voted for low contribution)
  • #351 Adrien discussion on GES vote, Adrien should make the effort to understand the post and not throw shade for GES to hide
  • #412 pindicator no reasons
·        #446 Novice questions if thrwan knew the wolves as a follow up to Rowain (he did not as written in his role description
·        #449 says he did not see the role PM (was in spoiler)
·        #455 justifies last 2nd switch with a crosspost with thrawn (were in the same minute, so likely)
·        #456 clues that Meiz #274 worked exactly out as Meiz wanted back then
·        #460 challenges Adrienier why he was naming Lewwyn a mislynch when thrawn would be town
·        #463 challenges pindi on his player strength argument
·        #465 challenges pindi on him not reading into commodore
·        #467 admits to commodore that Bee boy describes pindi but might have ment Meiz from context
·        #470 challenges Pindi to post his thoughts he was mentioning earlier
·        #476 checks with comm if he knew all along that GES mixed Meiz and Bee boy up
·        #480 points out that commodore voted for GES before that incident (confirmed bei Meiz in #481)
·        #482 asks why comm lets the GES scum discussion peter out
·        #483 is not sure how alignment indicative this discussion with comm is, thanks Meiz for the props (pull back?)
·        #486 agrees with rowain that pindi is more anti-town than scummy, questions if pindi would play better as scum, thinks rowains thrawn theory to far fetched
·        #511 explains why jabbz was making a comm train easier with parking his vote on him
·        #515 would have had a town lead on Jabbz if Comm scum (which was just a mistake vote)
·        #518 explains that Jabbz vote park increased benefits of lynching comm

·        #570 excuses night activity with time constraints early day2. Whould hope for Gazglum to be scum as he was not convincing. Comm case valid on day1, votes pindi due to him not parsing commodore.
·        #583 checks if pindi had read comms post 17 minutes before deadline
·        #586 wants bob to go beyond a simplistic vote pattern analysis into tone reads
·        #591 doesn’t think it is obvious Comm or Pindi anymore, there is at least one more scum out there, wants Comm and pindi to contribute
·        #593 challenges Gaspar on a small footprint
·        #601 believes pindi that he did not read up on comm before eoday1. Thinks rowain could be onto something, votes Kaiser and thinks end of #401 reads scummy (read up on comm during the night)
·        #602 checks rowain and lewwyn if it is relevant to know what thrawn thought about scummy people
·        #608 wants some preliminary analysis from GES
·        #609 novice challenges Gaspar on why comm scum
·        #685 likes Gaspars play today, expects more from Bob
·        #707 checks GES for his reasoning on why the wolves did not know thrawns alignment, confirms that he did not visit anyone day1. Thinks GEs reasoning on whom the scum would target is incorrect
·        #708 gets back to bobs attack and asks him questions
·        #711 agrees that GES has made a step in the right direction
·        #712 does not know where comm takes that he gets a novice switch eod, waits for comms re-reads
·        #722 gets back to Bob that he would like his analysis to be not final tally but include vote movements like rowain did
·        #772 disagrees with Adriens statement on comm and pindi being fine. Support WK pindi day2 view
·        #773 comms summary is leaving to much mislynches and doors open, case on Rowain is poorly justified, checks for Kaiser
·        #786 thinks comm tries to leave no trail. Preference afterwards pindi, cyneheard. Adrien maybe, Kaiser disappeared
·        #799 wants sunrise opinions on novice and cyneheard
·        #800 wants to know Lewwyns thoughts on Comm when he thinks that Gaspar and WK ar scum

Rowain
Just shortly here, Rowain I had more reasons to question you than that one statement, I already had a slight scum lean on you last summary and it did not improve until I wrote the comment later. However I was feeling there was quite some buddying up going on between you and novice and you and Meiz. I felt the latter case was driven mostly by you and Meiz joined unwillingly. I find some evidence for this in my notes, but it comes around less strong than my feeling was. 
I am more than convinced that Gazglum has been town and I wanted to investigate people hinting at something else as this feels like a strong misdirection tactic. I still have a scum lean on you but your play beyond certain posts is/seems helpful for town and I have difficulties combining this:
Scum lean comes from:
- buddying up feeling (With Novice and Meiz)
- Pointing away from Gazglums research/pointing to Gazglum potentially having been scum
- disincentivizing discussion about Gazglum town (which you clarified later)
- increasing heat on my after my farewell to gazglum
- multiple times having cold information lynch opinions (thrawn #223, comm #529)
- #571 keeping all your doors open
- getting quite defensive when poked by me and others

I liked your analysis in #529 but not the conclusion, I think I got around that it is a good information lynch as Lewwyn is closely connected as well.

  • early RP vote on Gaspar #15
  • sounds like RP but could be a read #20
  • defense on Gaspar vote #77
  • another defense/justification on Gaspar vote #81
  • push vote on thrawn, no reasons given #93 
  • vote pattern analysis for Kaiser and Bob moving from novice to Jabbz #105
  • clarification that his comment on GES was no suspicion but a metagaming analysis #171
  • follow up if Bob and Kaiser still want to stay on Jabbz #150 potential buddy up situation
  • buddy up with Meiz for sharing a vote #212
  • #215 doesn’t like Pindicator for showing no real opinion, Pindicator to wishy-washy with his opinion (stated no hard evidence, more of a feeling). Jabbz scummy as hell for leaving his vote on Commodore long before deadline as he would not be in danger
  • #216 points that #215 also covers Alhambrams no lynch
  • #223 thanks thrawn for his post as it will help if thrawn is lynched but still thinks thrawn is a good lynch. Thrawns post covered Meiz + Sunrise town, Gaspar and Kaiser top suspects and some doubt on Lewwyn. Alhambram had little to say
  • #235 explains #223 reasoning is sound (ignores Kaiser in his explanation) thrawn has a good answer in #240 though on rowains example. Lewwyn strong town if thrawn turns up wolf
  • #237 question to Gazlum on his target and why he is voting GES with Adrien and asking for Adrien
  • #248 defends against thrawns accusation by not wanting to give to much info to the wolves speculating on the implications thrawn turns town. Points to the other people on thrawn
  • #261 vote on Commodore following novice, though Novices explanation comes exactly one post (1 minute) later
  • #268 points out that Gazglums reasoning in the post before is weird as 3 people were tied on votes
  • #275 asks Meiz for his read on Kaiser
  • Kaiser on Rowain #286 wants answer for commodore switch
  • Kaiser on Rowain #288 push
  • #360 checks Gaspar why he is voting comm with Rowain and Jabbz if both are shady in Gaspars eyes
  • #389 wants to know from pindi why Gaspar looks scummy now
  • #398 votes thrawn based on Lewwyns post that currently the tiebreaker is pindi dead, thrawn survives
·        #439 points out that both possibilities were there in the past, wolves knew the traitor or did not, wants to knows pindis assignment and thinks poisonous would have been devastating
·        #441 defensive post to meiz kill list
·        #485 considers novice strongly town, wants to know from pindi voters if they think pindis play scummy or just not pro town, points that thrawn might have self voted to protect his pindi wolf read. Wants reads from Jabbz, GES, Bob, Alhambram before dawn
·        #510 explains additional information to Alhambram about no-lynch bad
·        #529 defines some example cases about pindi scum/no scum and wolf knowledge of thrawn alignment. Has good points about pindi being a high information lynch but question of wolf knowledge remains. Suggest lynch pindi then comm. Points Lewwyn -> thrawn, Meiz -> pindi and Gaspar Comm as main pushers
·        #530 checks if Adrian thinks Meiz scum
·        #533 answers pindi immediately instead of deadline. Gaspar towny due to high risk low reward push on comm if he is scum and comm town
·        #534 want to get more info from pindi

·        #552+ thinks the night result is unhelpful, votes Comm (in deviation to pindi first then comm)
·        #567 town read on novice and Gaspar, comm and pindi good lynches day1
·        #568 answers pindi on his Gaspar read
·        #569 Gazglum could have been a low risk target for wolves (no protection, no watchers). There is no warranty he is town, maybe he had a sacrifice power to ensure a kill later
·        #571 answer to Meiz poking him on his eod reads
o   Town Meiz, sunrise (less strong though)
o   Cyneheard more towny due to genuine thoughts (Meiz statement agreement)
o   WK, Kaiser very slight town
o   Jabbz Adrien on the bad side but less as Meiz sees
o   Bob, Alhambram policy lynches
o   GES no clue
o   Meiz and Lewwyn judgement to come later
o   Could lynch anyone today with the exception of Gaspar and Novice as town -> scum is only a short way (sunrise and cyneheard lynch would need convincing)
·        #595 overview of vote pattern with time stamps (assume correct, did not double check)
o   Checks comm for his alignment as he endangered himself 15 minutes before deadline
o   Points to Kaiser voting Q a 2nd time asking if he was confusing game and scum thread
·        #599+ says Kaisers post shortly before deadline #331 and  #401 were very similar. Vote Kaiser
·        #630 points to his #529 as answer to Jabbz
·        #631 points to bob that he has a history of clarification lynches. Points that lynch is better than vig as votes can be jduged. Connects bob and me
·        #633 clarifies stand on comm, if wolf then pindi scummy, if town then pindi null tell
·        #636 defense of his post, general defense on people questioning him on it. Challenging Jabbz to participate more and give reads  on other people, especially comm voters
·        #639+ challenges Kaiser on reasoning for his vote, wants to know why Kaiser is not following up more on Gazglums research
·        #648 answers Cyneheard that it was maybe Gazlum role to remain hidden, agrees that the probability of him being town is higher. Wants to let rest Gazlum in peace and wants Cyneheard to write on something else.
·        #680 pokes for votes from GES, Jabbz, Sunrise. Points that Kaiser was voting on him early day1. Did he hit a nerve
·        #683 points to Jabbz that his argument #529 of the lynch in a row regardless of flip argument is wrong with a quote he posted later #630
·        #701 points to Jabbz cherrypicking his posts for his conclusions as he is currently on Kaiser
·        #703 parses GES post and agrees, town lean. Wants feedback from GES voters Meiz, novice, Gaspar
·        #705 gets back to Jabbz that he does not want to ignore day1 especially the end of it. Jabbz fixated on Rowain, Meiz, Commodore lynch. Wants jabbz to make a commodore town case
·        #771 laughs about comms claim that he is pushing trains as he has had bad success with that in the past. (Kaiser here, other players in other games) Needs other players to start trains. Is good at getting trains to stpeed after they have been started. Joins Adrien train
·        #788 points out that there is no vote from Jabbz yet
·        #794 Jabbz play day 2 was bad, still waiting for feedback. Still waiting for Kaiser WoT as well
·        #798 points inconsistency out at sunrise voting with Gaspar even though he is his #1 scum
·        #803 checks pindi why he could Gaspar but is not
·        #808 checks Lewwyn for his read on Meiz and Novice, also on Comms attack on him

Commodore
Lynching him will bring information on pindicator and Lewwyn, probably also on Meiz by now. I did re-read the case on his day1, having never played with him before, I hesitate damning him for low contribution/participation when there have been people doing less. I agree though that he was not giving opinions to leave a trail beyond his poking. The commodore needs to understand GES thing remains weird to me. I do not even know if Commodore is american (but it would be easy for him to point out if he werent), I can even less judge how different accents/dialects/slang in the US is and I remember watching Batman the Dark Knight for the first time in English, freaking out about my inabilty to understand the DA.
I feel there has been a long train building on commodore and that disencouraged me to vote for him but he has been weird about the bee-boy story as I am not sure he was feigning something there or trying to extract information (around #477 and before). I can understand being upset about the target of a lynch chain and his suspicion about novice #522. His first reads and opinions came in night1 #542, Day2 #688 and 714. it seems he is on the defensive but he also shares my view on Gazglum being a villager.
My current read would be neutral, I would l disagree with some opinions on his lists but I agree with others.
Possible as an information lynch though, I think he would be the better target than pindi for an information lynch

  • early vote for Pindicator
  • #44 switch to Meiz to get some pressure going
  • #104 switching to Gaspar, because he was finding novice's voting analysis scummy/manufacturing an excuse. Quite Lewwyn and Jabbz are weird, defends that he likes trains forming
  • #106 points out that Rowain makes a far reach with his voting pattern connection between Kaiser and Adrienier
  • #132 points to quite Lewwyn again
  • #140 Jabbz non vote despite talking about it is scummy (Jabbz corrects that later with a vote on Commodore)
  • #153 checks sunrise for his opinion on Gaspars Novice vote
  • #158 vote Omar for being Lazy (jumping on Gaspar train I assume). Lewwyn still lazy as well
  • #160 asks Lewwyn to commit himself
  • #162 asks Omar to explain why he stays on Gaspar
  • #164 explains his lewwyn comment from #160 to novice
  • #278 wants the train on him explained
  • #282 vote on pindicator no reasons given
  • Commodore explanation for scummy GEs misread:
    • Novice #291 commodore smart and into roleplay, should make the effort to try to understand
    • Gaspar #295 commodore is American and should easily able to parse GES, commodore is not into Roleplay
  • #374 wants to understand who GES means with Bee-boy (can only be pindicator but he meant Meiz in his post). Thinks novices explanation is weak, votes thrawn as he thinks the case is the strongest
  • #390 misunderstanding GES was based on the Bee Boy mix up. Jabbz vote counted double, pindicator null read, thrawn variable but gives Lewwyn info
·        #445 confirms that knowledge about traitors had been both ways in the past
·        #447 explains that he voted GES as lazy because he was mixing up Meiz with Bee-boy, this seems to contradict his earlier confusion about who is bee boy?
·        #474 feels gaslighted by the GES Bee Boy story
·        #477 confirms to novice that he knew all along that GES was mixing up Meiz and Bee-boy (pindicator)
·        #481 replies novice that GES was doubling down on his joke vote and the lazy misread of Meiz/pindi confirmed that
·        #483 argues his letting it peter out was because GES was solidifying his scum read
·        #516 points out to novice that Jabbz was misvoting him
·        #522 asks novice if he is setting up a mislynch between comm and Jabbz
·        #525 answers meiz that he has no idea on jabbz alignment as there was not enough information. Feels set up by novice who is latching on weak cases
·        #542 believes novice interaction protects him from night kills, pindi by now more village, suspicious of Rowain for setting up pindi -> comm sequence. Justifies thrawn vote by tone reading. Does not wish interpret wolv knowledge on thrawn. GES lazy scum

·        #579 gazglum clearly a villager night killed, other speculation suspicious. GES vote due to never voting beyond the joke stage of the game. Wants to get explanation on why lynching him helps the game. #580 pindi responds immediately that it helps lynching him è follow up scumbuddy jokes
·        #612 post to GES announcing to be more detailed
·        #681 has time now to participate again
·        #688 wants to look at active cases:
o   Bob - on novice for weak reason
o   Kaiser - on Rowain for convoluted reasoning
o   Rowain, Novice - on Kaiser for weird double vote, will likely go back later to comm
o   GES 4 votes – seems busy, null tell, watiting on his mega post
o   Comm 5 votes – lynch on comm gives great cover to scum, case is a metacase -> lynch comm -> more information. 2 lynches for 1
o   Is not convinced enough of pindi scum to appreciate this metalynch
·        #692 points to novice that he can test GES claim
·        #694 points to bob that he was missing GES announcing mega post
·        #714 big list
o   Jabbz slight town lean for independent and not on comm
o   Cyne skating by after active 24 hours
o   Comm – friend
o   Bob skimming the thread, has the pass from novice
o   Gaspar town lean as he is behaving strategically weak as scum. Gets honesty points with Meiz in contrast to novice and rowain
o   Pindi laid back day1, day2 very focused, seems genuinely trying to hunt scum even though on the chopping block
o   Alhambram lurking undefined
o   Kaiser dismissed the case against him as a placholder but bad feeling is building. Posting light hopefully more later
o   Sunrise active Day1, low day2, town lean, gets novice tm pass for day1 activity
o   GES not lazy but still scum lean, waits for novice contradiction
o   Lewwyn dislike Day1, cagey Day2 maybe saving up for another flurry eoday2. Scummy push for wolves might have know about thrawns alignment. At least rejects the lynch-next-two-days plan mixed standing shading to scum
o   Adrien slight town as similar to WW46 (town)
o   Meiz great scum or town being used (on the comm case I assume)
o   WK to few contribution, mirrors comms play
o   Rowain -vote- two faced dance as novice but gets aggro when pushed on it. Making a metacase while sitting safely on a lurker
·        #715 points to novice for unclear reference
·        #809 vote WK for simulating cum hunting, reading, clearing people. Gaspar has cooled for him, Adrien did nothing

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(October 5th, 2020, 10:19)Jabbz Wrote: May have been answered but I'm still catching up. What did you do last night Commo, looks like last chance to tell us here.
Eeek. reeer icker ack atatatakeer.
<No action last night. I did not feel worried about being nightkilled given the posting.>
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Robot, I hope you read Warriorknight too because that's where the decision is right now: him or Commodore
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(October 5th, 2020, 09:49)Lewwyn Wrote:
(October 5th, 2020, 09:47)Rowain Wrote: @Lewwyn

So with Gaspar and WK 2 scummies whom do you think are the missing wolves.

No idea, I’ll worry about that when it’s time to think about it. Same deal as thrawn. Lynch the one I feel is scummiest and work it out in the aftermath.

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I know you can’t like know for certainty, but I wish you could articulate a vision here. Gaspar and certainly WK aren’t nearly as scummy as Thrawn was, so I think the myopia isn’t as warranted.
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(October 5th, 2020, 10:30)sunrise089 Wrote: @Lewwyn - Maybe you’ll say more as I read the last few pages, but you now think Gaspar is scum?? Any comments on my game-long scum lean on him? Do you think he’s scum for entirely different reasons then?

I usually don’t engage Gaspar day 1 on a suspicious level and wait to day 2 to take judgement. The thrawn bit and the end of day stuff with Gaspar is suspicious yes. I think my reasons are a bit different too then yours because part of my read has to do with his direct interaction with me and the characterization he keeps making of me and my play. I think there’s an element of him trying to take me off my game and make me doubt myself.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
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Ok. Caught up on my reread of commo. Squeezing in catching up rq, will likely drop last minute vote. Sorry bout that.
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Vote Warriorknight 2020, the consequences can't be much worse than any other votes you'll cast this year
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(October 5th, 2020, 10:03)Lewwyn Wrote: @cynheard you going to sit on adrien? Come on over the waters warmer...

That’s two players smile I’m in for all of us norming on dolphin-safe imagery.
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@Jabbz
In case you missed it

(October 5th, 2020, 10:36)Commodore Wrote: <No action last night. I did not feel worried about being nightkilled given the posting.>
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(October 5th, 2020, 10:40)Rowain Wrote: @Jabbz
In case you missed it

(October 5th, 2020, 10:36)Commodore Wrote: <No action last night. I did not feel worried about being nightkilled given the posting.>

TY, yes I did catch it.
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