Ok, autocorrect explains the confusion. Still, I don't find your explanation believable. You're saying you were making a play against Commodore to see if he would claim a self-protect role since you have that type of power as well. Then he does exactly that. And you shrug it off with "plausable" and continue to push WK.
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(October 5th, 2020, 13:03)Meiz Wrote: Ok, autocorrect explains the confusion. Still, I don't find your explanation believable. You're saying you were making a play against Commodore to see if he would claim a self-protect role since you have that type of power as well. Then he does exactly that. And you shrug it off with "plausable" and continue to push WK. Wasn’t it obvious he was claiming a self protect role when he says that he didn’t activate his ability because he wasn’t in danger of being nightkilled? That’s like the most obvious answer. So I wanted him to clarify his ability specifically. If he claimed hider I’d nail him. He went commuter and I can’t know if brick has two self protect villagers or not. There are likely 4 scum and one traitor so having multiple protection roles made sense. It was plausible. I couldn’t nail him so I took it as a null tell. I’m not sure what you think would have been the acceptable response. There were less than 10 minutes left and I really couldn’t make any judgement of his role based on my knowledge. So I stuck with my gut.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
(October 5th, 2020, 12:03)Meiz Wrote: Though I do wonder how likely it is that Commodore did not use his roleblockign N1. Yet he was confirming to Jabbz that he took no action (https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid753797). So either he didn't actually do anything, or Jabbz is his scumbuddy and it was safe to make this claim. I think it's the latter. Scrap this. I forgot GES's tracker claim & targeting novice, so Commodores claim would be less risky even if he targeted someone.
October 5th, 2020, 16:02
GG Commodore. Obligatory celebration gif:
![[Image: 10.gif]](https://i.ibb.co/0XfP5HT/10.gif) Will post more later, need to take the day off first.
To clear things up beforehand, I will barely be here on deadline, then the school council will start, it'll end around 9 (3h after deadline), and I definitely intend to sleep at some point. So I may not participate in this thread until tomorrow morning. Sorry in advance.
October 6th, 2020, 09:02
Seeing as there’s a non-zero chance I get eliminated tonight and I actually have some time on my hands, I want to share a read that I’ve been suspecting for a while and now that Commodore is confirmed scum I'm absolutely 110% positive about:
Lewwyn and pindicator are both scum. How so? Well let’s assume for the moment they are scum and look at their actions so far alongside confirmed scum Commodore and see if the turn of events is believable: (there is a tl;dr at the bottom if you are lazy) Day 1 (start -> ~2h before deadline): All 3 have bad starts. Lewwyn’s usual questioning of everyone was completely absent and was called out as out of character by several players, particularly Meiz, sunrise and myself. Pindicator contributed nothing to the game and was called out late in the day by Meiz (summary of contributions here: https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid752691). I think Gaspar summed up early day 1 Commodore quite well: (October 3rd, 2020, 23:17)Gaspar Wrote: Better question, why is Commodore town? He's spammed the thread full of three line garbage, classic low-effort, high-volume scum. His day 1 consisted of sitting on me until he had no choice but to move because... I questioned you? That's a hell of a lot of faith in novice towniness for the first 100 posts or whenever it was. I don't even know if that was his actually reasoning it was so forgettable and poorly explained. I can live with parking if you're Alhambram and you check into the thread once a month but Commodore jumped in enough times to contribute something. We've gotten like 5 separate posts on what GES means by bee-boy. I mean... if that's all it takes to be town I can go back to calling everyone idiots and chewing vicodin tic-tacs, its equally productive and way more entertaining. Day 1 (~2h –> end): Things get interesting when Meiz starts a train on Pindicator and it starts to gain traction late day 1. Both Lewwyn and Commodore have very interesting reactions to this train: Lewwyn completely changes from his passive play so far and starts hammering thrawn while Commodore initially parks on pindicator claiming to reread then switches to thrawn 12 minutes before deadline with barely any explanation. Pindicator’s reaction to the train is rather poor as well, preferring to drown in self-pity rather than actually contribute anything to defend himself. pindicator does end up being saved, but not without drawing significant attention to all 3 of Lewwyn, pindicator and Commodore. I do not believe that the wolves knew about thrawn as a traitor, as Commodore's role PM does not specify the presence of a traitor in any way. Rowain also has a believable explanation: (October 5th, 2020, 11:26)Rowain Wrote: c) Lewwyn: If the role-post from Commodore is complete then scum didn't know about a traitor. IMO given that there are most likely 4 scum (5 would be far too many) they concluded that ther has to be a SK I don't know if the wolves thought thrawn was a SK, but if they did then even more reason to jump on thrawn. Night 1: Fortunately for Lewwyn, thrawn turned out to be a traitor saving him for an immediate day 2 lynch. However there is a lot of suspicion on all 3 players and they need to do something to distract everyone from yesterday's events. Which leads me to my next point: I suspect Gazglum was night-killed in order to frame GES. GES had up until that point not played the best game and had received quite a few votes late D1 before the pindicator train took off. This made him a ripe target to distract town from the events of the night before, and Gazglum was the perfect person to nightkill to frame GES as his final post had nothing but accusations for GES. And sure enough, once Day 2 started all of Commodore, Lewwyn and pindicator started the day by voting GES. ~1st half D2: While Commodore continues to do a whole lot of nothing D2 (aside from a brief summary post riddled with holes), both pindicator and Lewwyn change tactics and contribute more today with Lewwyn even managing to get some town cred. While there was some town suspicion for GES from the night action, everyone was more interested in voting for Commodore rather than GES. Town interest in lynching GES dies completely after GES posts his night actions and claims tracker in this post: https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid753537 ~2nd half D2: Not long after the GES post, I make my rushed summation of everyone including my reasonable but poorly explained continued suspicions of pindicator & Commodore. It is at this point that Lewwyn decides to starts hammering me as lazy scum for not properly explaining myself, likely as the newest distraction from pindi/Commodore since the GES ploy failed. Both pindicator and Commodore end up joining this train as well. I haven’t looked at the events of the last few hours of the day in great detail, as most of it is Lewwyn blowing hot air at me, however with the attempt failing and Commodore flipping scum it does not look good for either of them. Other points of interest:
Tl:dr: So in summary, the reasons I suspect Lewwyn & pindicator are:
I leave it to you all to judge if this read is believable (aside from Lewwyn and pindicator, obviously), however this is a far better case then whatever Lewwyn was accusing me of yesterday. I do think there is likely 1 more wolf out there, my biggest suspect is AdrienIer for these reasons:
I am ~80% confident on my read of AdreinIer right now, but confirming his status should only be done after lynching both Lewwyn and pindicator. Of the two, Lewwyn is the more dangerous threat and should absolutely be lynched tomorrow. Or if a vig wants to shoot either one of them I'd be fine with that as well (although I obviously prefer vig shoot Lewwyn overnight to preserve my sanity tomorrow if this post somehow doesn't end up killing me).
Let me first say that I do not know pin's alignment. Pin might very well be a wolf. I know my alignment I am not a wolf.
Second all of your evidence against me is based on how I voted. Which if I were a villager again I wouldn't have any ability to be sure about. Let's go through your evidence against me in summary: (October 6th, 2020, 09:02)WarriorKnight Wrote: Other points of interest: First, Pindicator is not clear to me and given Comm's guilt, I might be amenable to a pindicator lynch today. Second I did consider both of them, and I actually think there was a moment where I tripped pindi up and I almost voted for him before I got swept up in other things. I will return to this a bit later in a nother post I think. (October 6th, 2020, 09:02)WarriorKnight Wrote: Tl:dr:[*] I can't tell if you are say we are both having a terrible day 1, if you mean me then I've already explained that. I was not going to post very much in the first half of Day 1 in order not to flood the thread like I did last time. Your Day 1 was terrible WK. Any characterization of me having a terrible Day 1 is simply untrue. (October 6th, 2020, 09:02)WarriorKnight Wrote: [*]Lewwyn hammering thrawn and pindicator crying self-pity in response to pindicator’s train late Day 1, both scummy responses.[*] [*] This is bullshit and you know it. I found thrawn scummy, I posted many comments outlining the scumminess, and wow look at that I was right! If I am to be persecuted for hunting scum then why would any village try? Very anti-town. (October 6th, 2020, 09:02)WarriorKnight Wrote: [*]Both voted for GES immediately Day 2 alongside Commodore, with wolves having made an overnight kill that would naturally frame GES.[*][*] [*] GES was objectively suspicious and voting for someone to begin the day that I don't plan on ending the day on is very common. I like to, you know, scumhunt. Actually push people and see as much info as possible. Not just ride one person all day and hope (or know I'm right because I'm bussing a scumbuddy). More info more knowledge better village. (October 6th, 2020, 09:02)WarriorKnight Wrote: [*]Bad D2 play from pindicator that did not contribute to town at all.[*][*][*] [*] I don't know if that's true. There's definitely one place I'm worried about. Again as I said I'll get to it. (October 6th, 2020, 09:02)WarriorKnight Wrote: [*]Not willing to seriously consider suspecting each other or Commodore as scum, despite Commodore actually being scum.[*][*][*][*] [*] I considered Comm but as I said I truly felt Comm's vote Day 1 was more of a villager move than a town move and I let that anchor my bias. I've alos let that anchor my bias towards Pin. But if Pin is scum it makes much more sense. (October 6th, 2020, 09:02)WarriorKnight Wrote: [*]And of course jumping on/starting the train against me instead of voting for now confirmed scum Commodore.[*][*][*][*][*] [*] No I still think you are suspect. Much less than before, but it's very clear that Comm was under heavy suspicion by a lot of people that were not me. If comm felt he was in danger he would encourage the bus and then try to get me to dig him out. Either I succeeded and he lived, or I get heavy suspicion and I get set up for the mislynch. (October 6th, 2020, 09:02)WarriorKnight Wrote: I leave it to you all to judge if this read is believable (aside from Lewwyn and pindicator, obviously), however this is a far better case then whatever Lewwyn was accusing me of yesterday.[*][*][*][*][*] [*] I agree that Adrien is highly suspicious and I definitely think he's scummy. I even voted for him before I got caught up in going after you. And the only reason I worked with him, and, comm, and pin was to try and follow my gut which pointed at you as most scummy. I even said it while I was doing it. I'll figure it out in the aftermath. I still suspect you WK because I don't think you actually did anything yesterday and I think while you were on commodore, you were basically on him all day except for a little moment and you could easily be setting up a mislynch. Its the kind of thing Comm would do. Have his scum buddies bus him and create a mislynch on the villager pushing the other guys. I was wrong about commodore, but there's no proof I'm wrong about you. That said you aren't my most suspicious person today.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
I am 100% on board with above and add:
- I think Lewwyn knew in advance Commodore was about to claim a self protection role: (October 5th, 2020, 12:11)Meiz Wrote:(October 5th, 2020, 10:46)Lewwyn Wrote:(October 5th, 2020, 10:36)Commodore Wrote:(October 5th, 2020, 10:19)Jabbz Wrote: May have been answered but I'm still catching up. What did you do last night Commo, looks like last chance to tell us here.Eeek. reeer icker ack atatatakeer. He explains later that Commodore's post was obvious hint of self-protective power. (October 5th, 2020, 13:12)Lewwyn Wrote:(October 5th, 2020, 13:03)Meiz Wrote: Ok, autocorrect explains the confusion. Still, I don't find your explanation believable. You're saying you were making a play against Commodore to see if he would claim a self-protect role since you have that type of power as well. Then he does exactly that. And you shrug it off with "plausable" and continue to push WK. I don't think it was. It could as well indicate a limited shot power that seems to be a trend in this game. He explains his own role being protection role (hider) and therefore he attempted to get an identical role reveal from Commodore. If he had this in mind and Commodore then claims a commuter, it should make him pause a bit and not immediately state it as plausable, and even provide a RP character reason why the role fits with Flipper., while continuing to hammer his case on WarriorKnight "So flipper swims away for the night? Plausible" I don't see how this quote fits at all with his explanation for what he was thinking to achieve with the question. Lewwyn has had a very strong agenda to keep the lynch away from Commodore for the whole game. And Pindicator too, and I don't think that is explainable with just a misguided town player. AdrienIer's play suggest scumbuddy for Commodore. No explanation of votes, just blindly following on non-Commodore targets. I felt his D1 fitted as Commodore's scum buddy as well (https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid753255). I also think Jabbz's play has been very off this game, and I don't trust his vote on Commodore for much of any townpoints. The sure read in the end and hitting a scum reads more as a bussing play with too much info. (October 6th, 2020, 09:43)Meiz Wrote: Lewwyn has had a very strong agenda to keep the lynch away from Commodore for the whole game. And Pindicator too, and I don't think that is explainable with just a misguided town player. I realize this phrase is confusing. In my opinion also Pindicator has had a strong agenda to prevent a Commodore lynch, and I don't think that is explainable with just a misguided town player. |
and with that Good Night and see you all