WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[Gold Ergo Sum]

I don't have a gif of 2 old puppet men suplexing a weeb fox into the depths of hell the lurker thread, but this is the next best thing:



 

Damn Duo Puppet, Omar sure gonna miss your plush self.  Actually laughed out loud, then laughed again about two minutes later thinking about your post.  Might chuckle again now.

Weeb Fox is indeed scummy, but this is a legit question for any town to ask. Who did you track last night?

Omar stayed holed in his safe house last night.  No following through the shadows.  

Again, Duo Puppet, if you want Omar to lay out his reasoning, he glad to oblige, but Omar figure there some decent reasons not to elaborate too, you feel.  But Omar not one to deny a dying man his last wishes.

On that note...Weeb Fox

[BRickAstley]

Tally as of post 1103:

Lynch votes
4 votes: Cyneheard/Elim Garak (Gaspar, novice, pindicator, Alhambram)
3 votes: Lewwyn/Retsuko (Cyneheard, Meiz, Gold Ergo Sum)
1 votes: pindicator/Henchman 21/Gary (Bobchillingworth)

Voting history:

Retsuko

Uncle Iroh

Retsuko

Elim Garak

Elim Garak

Elim Garak

* Kaiser (claimed Understudy)

Isaac

* pindicator

* Commodore (known Roleblocker)

* Lewwyn (claimed Hider)

* Cyneheard

Pindicator:Lewwyn:and Cyneheard

Henchman 21

Elim Garak

Retsuko

[Cyneheard]

Meta assumption: I think it’s more likely we have 4 villains than 5. 5 + traitor sounds absolutely brutal for the village, especially with the traitor’s powers being pretty good.

I think I’ve made my Lewwyn feelings pretty clear.

Pind:

WK’s death note covers Pind pretty well. https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid753979 

Jabbz:
His vote Day 2 seems to be the key to making sure that Commodore hanged. If Lewwyn ends up town, very likely to re-evaluate Day 2, but “Lewwyn protecting his roleblocker scumbuddy twice” best fits this.

Kaiser:
So he had time, RL intervened, so now he doesn’t? His vote on Commodore (or his 5-minutes-earlier vote on Adrien) really doesn’t get much credit, as Commodore was clearly hanging. He's been methodically collecting information, which is great if the scum are messing up in predictable ways, but absolutely TERRIBLE if they're not. Too many Kaiser-style players means that a wolf bus is absolutely going to be way too effective, but I don't think the rest of us are as committed to the work to make that a meta problem. Likely villager.

Rowain:
Vig claim seems pretty confirmed to me. If he’s lying, then Kaiser’s hypothesis that the Wolves inherited the Traitor’s powers has to be true and they poisoned someone N1. But then - why WK OR Adrien? That doesn't make sense to me, especially since WK probably didn't make himself a high priority target until his Day 2/Night 2 (definitely kicking myself for not switching to Watching WK after that vote). So Rowain is about as confirmed as it gets. The odds of there being ZERO vigilantes is ~0, although it is possible that there are two if they’re both one-shot, so if someone else had a vigilante power they might not counterclaim (although I’d have thought N2 would’ve been a decent night to take a Vig shot). If Rowain is lying, we will have time to figure it out.

Bob:
If he keeps on living and hiding from the shadows, he’s going to start to shoot up my suspect list – this could be similar to Charriu in WW46 who was basically only found out by process of elimination. But inclined to lean villager who’s just not able to spend the time this game is requiring.

I don't have the brainspace to tackle a more complicated case like Gaspar right now.

[Gaspar]

So I voted Cyneheard for a few reasons, but not the least of this was to get this out of him. Only seems fair I take a look at what I got...

Well this should be an interesting Day 3.

Basically, I haven't had the emotional energy to fully engage with this properly/adjust my play, and for that I apologize. It felt weird that I was skating through these days so easily, but it also meant I didn't have to work as hard. Also hadn't had my instincts proven super right or wrong yet (obviously both WK and Adrien were hitting my scumdar), so that hasn't been good either. I'd be disappointed in the rest of the town if I wasn't under significant scrutiny today.

It doesn't help that I don't remember the last time I rolled village - WW46 was obviously a disaster of a wolf game, and the One Night Werewolf games years ago were where:
1) Lewwyn and I started as wolves, but Lewwyn realized his card had been swapped so he got me killed. Basically nothing I could do there.
2) I robbed Rowain, ended up as the Tanner, and was able to cause JUST enough chaos (with some luck I think) to get myself hanged.

Roleclaim:
3-Shot Watcher.

Unfortunately neither of the people I watched had anyone visit them (Sunrise N1, GES N2), so there's not much I can use for that to clear me.

If we end up hanging me, do NOT use that as clearance for people playing similarly to me (semi-lurking, or the WK voters are the heuristics I'm mostly referring to here I think).

This sequence at the end of day 2 feels super weird to me:

@cynheard you going to sit on adrien? Come on over the waters warmer...

Sure, this seemed reasonable enough - especially after his Day 1 pleading that didn't convince me on thrawn.

WarriorKnight - a WK reread makes me more skeptical of him than of Comm right now. He's got the one post of reads and other than that nothing.

@Lewwyn - I absolutely don't get why you're leaning village for Adrien.

@Gaspar - confirmation bias is setting in a lot of us right now, I've been trying to test/reevaluate that myself.

I feel like you’ve been more silent than I want out of you and you pop up at opportune moments. But I’m surprised you voted for warriorknight.

But then after I follow Lewwyn, Lewwyn was asking me to join him on WK, and then is surprised that I actually follow through???

That just struck me as super strange - like he's surprised a villager is playing just like Wolf Lewwyn. This feels like an Among Us 50/50 situation, but confirmations are on.

I'm going to take some time thinking/working through the rest of us, but this seemed like a good place to start.

This post is some serious woe is me stuff. Not engaging until you're under pressure is definitively not pro-town behavior. The thing is, I never understand this line. Like you don't have to post as much as Meiz or a Lewwyn to contribute, nor do you even have to read every post. I skim a lot - after a while you get the sense of where you have to really read. Regardless, mildly scummy.

Meta assumption: I think it’s more likely we have 4 villains than 5. 5 + traitor sounds absolutely brutal for the village, especially with the traitor’s powers being pretty good.

I think I’ve made my Lewwyn feelings pretty clear.

Pind:

WK’s death note covers Pind pretty well. https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid753979 

Jabbz:
His vote Day 2 seems to be the key to making sure that Commodore hanged. If Lewwyn ends up town, very likely to re-evaluate Day 2, but “Lewwyn protecting his roleblocker scumbuddy twice” best fits this.

Kaiser:
So he had time, RL intervened, so now he doesn’t? His vote on Commodore (or his 5-minutes-earlier vote on Adrien) really doesn’t get much credit, as Commodore was clearly hanging. He's been methodically collecting information, which is great if the scum are messing up in predictable ways, but absolutely TERRIBLE if they're not. Too many Kaiser-style players means that a wolf bus is absolutely going to be way too effective, but I don't think the rest of us are as committed to the work to make that a meta problem. Likely villager.

Rowain:
Vig claim seems pretty confirmed to me. If he’s lying, then Kaiser’s hypothesis that the Wolves inherited the Traitor’s powers has to be true and they poisoned someone N1. But then - why WK OR Adrien? That doesn't make sense to me, especially since WK probably didn't make himself a high priority target until his Day 2/Night 2 (definitely kicking myself for not switching to Watching WK after that vote). So Rowain is about as confirmed as it gets. The odds of there being ZERO vigilantes is ~0, although it is possible that there are two if they’re both one-shot, so if someone else had a vigilante power they might not counterclaim (although I’d have thought N2 would’ve been a decent night to take a Vig shot). If Rowain is lying, we will have time to figure it out.

Bob:
If he keeps on living and hiding from the shadows, he’s going to start to shoot up my suspect list – this could be similar to Charriu in WW46 who was basically only found out by process of elimination. But inclined to lean villager who’s just not able to spend the time this game is requiring.

I don't have the brainspace to tackle a more complicated case like Gaspar right now.

This post is super scummy, though. Restates an obvious read, relies on someone else's read, tells three people who are likely swing votes that he thinks they're towny and then pushes some mild shade at a lurker... I mean, whew. Not that different really than the post that sounded scummy in 46 that eventually got us both killed.

[Lewwyn]

Feels like the game has been longer than 2 days, but then I died N2 last game so my internal clock might be feeling that.

In any case I'm going to think out loud a bit and reevaluate the remaining players. I didn't have much time earlier, but I have a little time now and and some tomorrow morning before taking care of my daughter. Today she made me teach her chess and I'm pretty proud she kept making me play with tears in her eyes even after I mercilessly destroyed her over and over. Chip off the old block.

So to break it down. 13 alive = 10 village 3 scum.

I trust Rowain for the vig. Adrien shot makes sense. It's what I would have done. And after the death of thrawn I don't see the scum with another extra shot.
Sunrise is my second townie. Everything I read from him makes sense from a town perspective in particular his contrary scum leans.
Fucking Gaspar is my next town lean. He was right about comm and I don't think wolf gaspar would have bussed him that hard. Can't see it. And yeah I probably suspected him more based on his insistence with comm.
Meiz is probably town. If I'm pulling back and looking at this objectively that makes sense. I can't get pulled into his tunnel with him. After taking this afternoon off I'm done fighting him and letting his insistence on me affect my thought process.
Rereading the end of day 2 with novice, I don't think he's done anything scummy through his posts his questions or his votes. It makes sense and I don't think he was scummy in his commodore voting, doesn't feel like bussing at all.

That's a list of people I will not vote for. I am worried about Meiz and novice not pulling in a nightkill. They are feeling pretty townie and you'd want to remove stronger players if you can. I think the WK kill is a mistake for sure. But man that's actually a good amount of people I feel good about and honestly not killing novice or Meiz makes sense from a "why aren't they dead yet perspective" hell I've done that to novice as a wolf before. Just leave him alive until the village starts cannibalizing itself. Gaspar is more of a kill the strongest player first type of guy. If he were in the wolf chat WK would not have been the kill IMO.

That leaves me with 3 scum in here:

Jabbz
Cyneheard
Bobchillingworth
pindicator
Alhambram
Kaiser
GES

I'm doing this with minimal back reading right now. This is just my current thoughts as I see them. After I've written all these down I'll go back and look at what strikes me more carefully.

Kaiser is interesting. Back up hero is a good and interesting role. I think the role makes sense. But you know what I've realized. What if Kaiser killed Gazglum and stole his role? What if his ability is like role steal and he kills and takes away the information? Gazglum WAS the first death, but also his role was hidden. Was it hidden by the kill or by Kaiser's ability either as village or scum? The interaction here seems real, something is hinky. Killing and not having the role revealed didn't do that much, but maybe its part of the scum ability. Maybe I'm reading too much into the role, but earlier today I was willing to clear Kaiser based on his role and knowledge of Gazglum, but now I'm not so sure at all. Without the role claim I would have definitely considered him one of my top suspects as I said before Night deadline.

GES I also sort of cleared in my mind due to the tracker claim. But damn we've had wolf trackers before! And I'm not sure he's done that much outside of the one mega post. His vote for commodore comes at the end of day when the tally is at 7-5 and it's clear comm is going down. He did it in the last 5 minutes even. Before that he was Adrien. I think voting for Adrien might be a null tell given his overall scummy demeanor. I'm feeling not great about him.

Jabbz I talked about in my end of night post. I think the same thing. Not a lot of action, late vote on Comm. Though his vote made it go from 6-5 to 7-5 which is not as bad as GES's late vote in terms of scum bussing. Still it may as well have been 7-5 at that point since Rowain was clearly going to vote for comm at the end of day. But not a great feel for him from me overall. This needs to be a check in focus.

Bobchillingworth I'm actually feeling... fine about. I don't think he's been overly suspect and his longer posts, while I don't know if they are really adding as much relative to their size strike me as very Bob-like. Higher on the hard data and logic less on the read. I doo not think he's scum.

Alhambram is a neighbor, Sunrise pulled the rug out and role claimed for them both. I think Sunrise is villager so of the two Alhambram is the one that scum if its a scum and village pair. Do I think Alhambram is scum... I'm not sure. There are times I think he's having a language barrier issue and time I wonder if it is feigned ignorance. But Alhambram has been on Comm multiple times and I think the repeat return onto Comm and his questions early in Day 2 about Comm make it very unlikely that Alhambram was bussing him. I think he's clear.

Cyneheard I want to spend some time rereading most. I think when convinced him onto WK it felt suspicious. Like I said when he did it, I was surprised. I felt like Cyne had a very high opinion of me through Day 1 and 2. The fact that he so quickly turned at the start of day 3 is really suspect. Also he's absolving himself of blame for being on WK saying he was convinced by me. Not his fault he voted for WK, it's MY fault. Look if you believed I was a villager then you have to believe I'm fallible, and if I'm fallible I'm going to make a mistake. If you think I'm wrong you vote the other way. But to vote with me and then vote for me strikes me as opportunistic.

Pindicator is scum? isn't scum? I don't know guys. Honestly maybe I just like pindicator too much and I want to believe he's my friend. I mean I know he's my friend, but in the game. If it had just been comm I might have voted for Comm, but I think maybe a bit of Pin being tied to comm made me feel like both were innocent, clouded my judgement. If I were less buddied I would have jumped on Pin in the middle of day 2 when I feel like I caught him out in that Meiz exchange he had. I got Scooter vibes in that moment but didn't chase it hard enough. Yeah Pin is probably scum. He's still saying he's down on himself even when he doesn't really have anything to be down on himself about! He's still alive and if he's town then he should be happy town caught a traitor and a wolf! In the end I gotta come back to that exchange with Meiz and me. I will post more about that specifically later.

Right now it's Pindicator, Cyne, GES or Kaiser for me I think. It really does help to write it all out. I think I'm going to focus on these guys + Jabbz (shouldn't take long) tomorrow morning.

[Lewwyn]

FWIW, I'm the first one to criticize Rowain's... unorthodox play generally.  But really, he's just putting the horse before the cart and telling us what's in the cart.  We lynch Commodore for reasons repeated ad nauseum.  If he flips scum, then pindicator is the obvious next target, for reasons repeated ad nauseum.  If Commodore flips town, it doesn't clear pindicator, but it does make all the other circumstantial evidence around pindicator void and we need to reassess him based on his play today.  I don't see anything dangerous about it.

The dangerous part - or perhaps it's the clever part - is that I'm seeing some people do nothing but discuss this. At least Rowain did a bit on Kaiser before switching back to this theory. But it's excellent cover for lazy wolf play. And there are several people who have upped a few scum points in my book for doing nothing but talk about me and Commodore today.

Who are these players?

See, the thing about being lazy is you want to ask other people to do your job for you...

This exchange was super scummy on Pindi's part and pretty good work on Meiz's I think. I picked up on it and started to pressure him:

Pindi you said some players have become more suspicious because they only talk about you and comm. Meiz asked who they were. Then you said he was lazy asking. Then he said he wanted to see if you really had people in mind that became more suspicious based on talking only about you and comm. Then you said:

Don't you have it backwards? I'm laying out a road map of where I think scum were day 1, not saying here's my case against so-and-so.

I haven't re-read the end of day 1 with that in mind yet.  Off  the top of my head i know some active people around then: Lewwyn, Gaspar, I think Rowain - but I need to go back and read to get names.

This is different from the chain it started. Here you are going off the topic. And then you give three names me gaspar and Rowain, but A) I've been decidedly NOT discussing you and comm exclusively, B) Gaspar has slightly expanded his discussion, C) Rowain is currently voting Kaiser, D) The most obvious person who has only been discussing comm and you is Meiz himself... Is he more suspect?

Then Pindi says and I reply:

Yeah, I expanded from that in my response to Gaspar. For day 2 lazy wolves have a fantastic narrative they can jump in on and look productive: that we should lynch Commodore to find out what happened with his late vote and if he was protecting me. So I am also suspicious of people who only want to push that and haven't contributed any actual scum hunting on day 2

Sure but who is that? You've been pretty active today so if this is what you think you should be able to tell us who falls into this category specifically. I also think this is sort of backwards scumhunting. Scum would do this, lets find someone who does this they must be scum...

You can see Pindi is not answering the question. He's not telling us WHO got raised in suspicions based on this earlier Gaspar theory and his thoughts on it. Remember Pindi said:

The dangerous part - or perhaps it's the clever part - is that I'm seeing some people do nothing but discuss this. At least Rowain did a bit on Kaiser before switching back to this theory. But it's excellent cover for lazy wolf play. And there are several people who have upped a few scum points in my book for doing nothing but talk about me and Commodore today.

Meiz and I both asked him pretty repeatedly who upped scum points and he never gave a straight answer he was evasive.

His response to my pestering was this:

Sure but who is that? You've been pretty active today so if this is what you think you should be able to tell us who falls into this category specifically. I also think this is sort of backwards scumhunting. Scum would do this, lets find someone who does this they must be scum...

First off, that's not how I'm going about this.  See, this was also why I hadn't said anything at the very beginning of day 1 yet: I didn't have a list of names, I just had a theory on where to find scummy behavior.  Honest gut feeling answer?  Meiz, but I might just be thinking of him because he keep suspecting me and it's always natural that you'll have those people in the back of your mind first.  Also I didn't want to go accusing him without re-reading his 100+ posts (is it 100 now? It's damn close if it isn't).  What I thought of Meiz was that he had the RP-heavy and spam heavy day 1 until he was called out by Gaspar and Commodore votes.  Then he acts like Meiz.  Then I can't really recall how he was acting at the end of the day yesterday.  Then overnight he's asking a lot of questions and posting a lot of spam.  And again today, I don't think I can recall him putting forward any other cases rather than "pindicator or Commodore" - but again, this is all recollection and I can't keep 15 people in my head so I need to re-read.  Rowain was also on that list a bit but I just always think of how Rowain lines up his linches as being scummy - like I did in 46 - so I'm giving him a pass still.  Also, it helps that he brought up a case on Kaiser, so he is looking elsewhere.

So this is a pretty round about way of saying Meiz and pretty much only Meiz. He has no straight answer just a curious rant aboutu Meiz.

Meiz asks again as well:

And my question was, who are these people in your mind that you've now (day 2) grown more suspicious of.

He never receives a response about it really. Instead Pin says:

Dammit, now I'm actually reading Meiz.  95 posts, not 100.  But this is going to take F-O-R-E-V-E-R

He then posts a few posts about some of Meiz posts as the day continues. But really what sticks out to me is first the wide brush he paints on everybody focused on comm and him (Which yes I also agreed with the idea that we should look at other people) and the idea they all go up a notch in scum. The problem is he doesn't have anyone in mind. It's a general statement and not a specific one and when he gets called on it he is evasive and filibusters, does not answer the question until he finally just picks Meiz and start making posts about him until everyone leaves him alone. Beyond anything else pindi has done it was the scummiest interaction. And I wanted to lay it all out for everybody to see here.

@Meiz do you remember this? How do you feel about this exchange now?

[pindicator]

As a sidenote, I've liked Alhambra's contributions today, and don't find the post from Bob above bad either.

By the way Meiz, this is a fine example of the type of post that has raised my hackles. These blanket good town statements without saying what makes them good town.

What's your opinion of Alhambra?

Okay, so a very quiet day 1 for RL reasons with a No Lynch vote that I think is just a sign of not knowing the game more than any tell of town/scum. Like that he saw the merits of voting thrawn, though saying so after the fact ... why would a wolf feel the need to say that? Flipping a traitor seems like the most null of flips, like any third party they can be claimed by both sides. So I kind of think his reaction to saying he would have voted thrawn at the end of day 1 (in #585) is a slight town tell.

I remember his confusion between Commodore and my (now embarrassing) high-fiving. I like that he was willing to ask questions about it and not just try to connect that to a case straight away.

Day 2 he says he starts on Commodore but that it isn't solid. Could be setting up for future moves off of Comm, but I can certainly understand having reservations about voting for Commodore. I think that post #912 is significant though, that it shows he saw the case on WarriorKnight but still thought he should stay on Commodore. This was, however, right at the deadline and Commodore was up 5 votes - switching off would not have mattered. However, I think I lean the same as Gaspar that Alhambram is someone who is still feeling out the game and putting forth good effort.

I really like the end of Night 2 post where he lists his voting analysis. I think that you have to have similar take-aways by looking at just voting. So I like this post from him quite a bit. Probably also because it's how I like to think about games and now it's nice to have a real vote breakdown that I can easily access. At least until I get lynched.

The neighbor revelation kind of explains the lack of posting the first two days. If he has to juggle more time in another thread. I think he's also trying to be helpful with the role powers assessment but that's a null tell really.

In the end I'd give him a town lean. I like Gaspar's explanation of him, that resonates with what I read.



Now Lewwyn, I was wondering why you hadn't commented on the Cyneheard case even though you had started the day like so:

I believe Kaiser, WK and Adrien are dead.

So I'm at pin, jabbz, Cyneheard. And cyneheard is already voting for me.

But not even a mention of the cases brought against Cyneheard by Gaspar and then myself. And now I'm your vote. I really have been your patsy this game, haven't I? You were defending me just half a day ago real time (right before the day started), but then you sat back and watched the way the first votes fell today. And then as soon as I come out against your scum-buddy, Cyneheard, then I'm not longer useful. How close am I? Well, if I have to go to move forward the town then so be it, but I have faith they'll get you the next day. Then hopefully your buddies too.

Yeah, I think I just got over my hang-ups for voting Lewwyn. But let's let him dangle a bit, I want to leave my vote on Cyneheard until he answers my question:

Cyneheard, why didn't you even explore me as a target day 2? You voted me at the end of day 1, and night 1 you're exploring possibilities of me-town vs me-scum and how that applies to possible thrawn-voters (#523). Day 2 you start with a vote on Commodore while saying I deserve the most scrutiny along-side Commodore, and yet later in the day you join me on WarriorKnight in opposition to Commodore. Wouldn't you be highly suspect of your #1 and #2 suspects both on WarriorKnight here? What made you do that?

I saw him address others' questions but not mine.

[Gaspar]

I kind of hate where I am right now on the WK voters. Leaving the others aside right now, there's three dudes of which there is almost assuredly one scum and most likely two, based on some combination of analysis of the first two days, the kills and specifically the voting analysis. See this is why I like day 1 so much - there's no data and interactions muddying my thoughts, its just pure tone reads. It makes it so much easier to scum hunt. This day 1 kinda sucked because while the RP was fun and I wish there was still some of it going on for pure entertainment value, it makes it easier to hide tone. Though I did catch Commodore on Day 1, I feel like if this was a normal day 1 I'd have a lot more right now.

Anyway, that's as woe as me as I'm going to get, let's look at the three candidates just based on what they've said/done today:

Weeb Fox

If I'm to be honest, I like his play today the most. He has as good a manner as you can have when you're the obvious target. It sounds like he's trying earnestly. I guess most to the point, he sounds like himself. The thing with Weeb Fox though, is that he likes rolling scum as much as he likes rolling town. So I don't know that he's being a happy warrior is much of a tell. But still, I think he's trying to hunt scum. The gnawing voice in the back of my head also says that he knows the best way to get of the block is to do this. I don't know, this is why I ignore Weeb Fox early normally - I need more data to be sure on him. Plus he really knows how to buddy me. And of course, there's all the stuff from previous days that I need to consider but am faithfully not considering here.

Pindicator

Pindicator also sounds like he's trying. Now he's a bit more temperamental (pot, meet kettle) so its a bit easier to paint a lot of his efforts as simply trying to evade the hook and honestly, I do think a lot of his effort is trying to evade the hook. That said, he's been more engaged and if he is town, in his shoes I would also feel like I was played a patsy by the scum and I'd probably have a hard time not letting that color my reads. But again, if you dropped us into the game right here and I was asked to evaluate simply based on today, I'd say he sounds towny.

Cyneheard

Cyne I discussed above. The two posts I quoted felt very scummy. He's not fighting the noose very hard which makes him easy to lynch, but that is often scum behavior - if you can't win the with your words, suffocate them with your self-pity. Alliteration, always annoying. Anyway, on the same rules, he's made the strongest case to be lynched so that's where I'm staying right now.

[Bobchillingworth]

We have a lot of people outing powers, but unfortunately they all say no results at this point. That... could be better. Anyone want to claim using a power on me? Asking for a friend.

You're asking for a friend who wants to know if someone has used a power on you? Jerry, this guy has weird friends!


Anyway, I have not used a power on you, but I hypothetically could if it would theoretically benefit the village in some way, if that's what you're implying. I mean, not you! Your friend, who asks strangely specific and probing questions about powers. That guy!

[Meiz]

Lewwyn, I agree 100% with your post (https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid754278) that Pind doesn't have a good overview of reads in his head, which I think town has. Latest example is my question of Alhambra, which again comes off as "I need to re-read". So I don't think he's able to give gut reads on players because he needs to be careful with his words as a wolf. I would like to lynch him right after you.

Then if both you and Pindicator reveal as woves, I'm surprised to say I would like to kill Gaspar next due to his post above. It's as if someone clicked a switch on his head with the two townreads and how obviously scummy Cyneheard is