WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[Rowain]

I agree with Rowain's thoughts that scum could have bussed Commodore.  In fact, I think that it's looking more and more likely that they may not have come roaring out of the gates to lynch him day 2, they probably decided to safely put early votes on him and see which way the wind was blowing.  When it became obvious that Commodore was going to get heat regardless of the outcome then it became more practical to set up mislynches for following days.  Commodore, I believe, even played along.  His content fell off the map during day 2.  I should have seen it, but... anyway, I should have listened to the "what if" voice that was noticing Commodore not participating much in the second half of day 2.  I got blinded to him.


Question for the Old Man, since I trust him the most right now:  who's your most suspicious Commodore voter?

Here you trust me

Does anybody else find it odd that we have a day vig and a night vig?

Here you doubt me . But to answer this question: So far we have claims/roleps for tracker, watcher, voyeur, motion tracker and Beholder. Additional an role-inheritor. Nothing of that strikes your fancy?. You have clearly not considered what a big FU-town-role Meiz's power is.

And it is funny that he's doing exactly the same claim as me when I was SK.

Nope absolutely not. Contrary to you I have announced my target before the results were shown not afterward fabricated a story. An if I remember right you had to claim something because you were close to get lynched in WW 46. Were I really an SK I have no need to make this claim at all. In case you missed it I claimed 1-shot contrary to your 3 shot vig so anyone sees me wandering the streets in any of the nights to follow feel free to lynch me. I prefer to sleep at night.

[Kaiser]

I agree with Rowain's thoughts that scum could have bussed Commodore.  In fact, I think that it's looking more and more likely that they may not have come roaring out of the gates to lynch him day 2, they probably decided to safely put early votes on him and see which way the wind was blowing.  When it became obvious that Commodore was going to get heat regardless of the outcome then it became more practical to set up mislynches for following days.  Commodore, I believe, even played along. 

It seems I missed that post by Rowain as I cited a different one where he assumed maximum 1 scum on commodore and did not investigate further. Can you point me please to Rowains post where he states above assumption?

I share that feeling about how the wolves played Day2. And also some hesitance on how Meiz game has developed but it is not strong enough to remove him from giving me a town impression.

[Rowain]

Rowain that was a good shot regardless of outcome.  Kind of wish you had used it on me instead.

While I take you up on that tea offer, how possible is it that Comm was bussed hard day 2?

I find it hard to believe that scum would happily bus a roleblocker in a role-heavy game. Of course exprience says on the 10 votes on C in the end there will be 1 scum at least.

the 10 voters:  Meiz, Gaspar, Alhambram, sunrise089, novice, WarriorKnight, Jabbz, Gold Ergo Sum, Rowain, Kaiser

Of those my own vote and Kaiser come so late they didn't matter in the lynch but I do believe Kaisers story and I know my role. Meiz and Gaspar have been on him quite some time Gaspar already on Day1
Alhambram and sunrise were on it early. WK is town. Leaves GES, Jabbz and novice. From those I had GES and novice in my townbook.  Jabbz whose vote was also not really convincing. But he made so many mistakes that I rather think of him of drowning townie trying hard to stay afloat.

So I wouldn't be surprised to have an error in there. If so then I would guess novice or GES but I don't see it.

Another post I am griping with, nearly everyone on this, even me, is getting away quite good, for me this is post is very non-commital.
I also wonder why you are are not taking the next step here, assuming your theory, this would mean that there should have been 3 scum in the remaining 6 players, that would be interesting to look at, right?

Pindi asked about bussing and I was giving him an honest answer. Not good enough for you? Tough Luck

I personally believe that in the end there were likely 2-3 wolves on commodore in order to use exactly your reasoning for getting town credit. Commodore was on the sinking boat already all day long and this way the wolves could try to at least benefit from his death.
My best guess would be Rowain, Novice and then I need to take a closer look. I will do so tomorrow.

There is no towncredit for those that jumped late (that includes you). I find it funny that you talk about wolves voting C for towncredit when it was you who was strongly against an info-lyncvh and felt so strongly about a C-lynch that you voted for me most of the day and suddenly you saw the light and became more and more interested in an info-lynch and finally you switched to Commodore. Hurray but no town-cookie for you. Btw if you look a bit on what really happened you realize that there was a time when Adrien was in the lead. And it was exactly at that time when novice and WK pushed Commodore up again. And look one of them is dead and one of them is in your top-suspect list.

[Alhambram]

3) Simp--Omar think he seem like a friend of the village based on posts 1041 and 1073.  Plus Omar feel Talking Dog is village and he had way more opportunity to assess  Simp than Omar.  Definitely think there was a language barrier here that threw Omar.   Omar hear a lot of junkie gibberish in west Bal'more, but most of it in English at least.  Maybe Omar give Simp the Bal'more Rosetta Stone come Secret Santa.

In my country we celebrate Sint-Nicolas at 5 december instead having a visit from Santa Claus at Christmas. But I might look up some Bal'more Rosetta Stone at internet, no promises that I suddenly understands everything what you are saying. I initially thought that you was talking about Kim Kardashian until realizing that you were taling about Cyneheard.

And what about us supposedly having both a day vig and night vig?  I'm not role-inclined either but doesn't that seem a bit excessive?

It did bother me bit too, but I have played only WW47 before this. I don't know whether having 2 1-shot vig is excessive for a game with 18 players, veterans might have better feeling about it.
Cyneheard did consider the possibilty that this game might have 2 1-shot vig at post #1105 before Meiz did reveal himself as second vig at post #1121.

[Kaiser]

@Kaiser I'm not damning you for your Adrien-vote I'm damning you for your constant lynching Commodore is bad + Infolynch is bad clamoring you did. Only late in the day you found info-lynches worthwhile and the very end when the vote didn't matter at all you moved your vote there.

I see that you still try to throw dirt on me similar to Commodore. Perhaps you killed Gazglum to inherit his role.

Ok, point taken I came around late to accept info lynches as a valid strategy and I was wrong about not having suspicion about Commodore.

GG Commodore

b) Kaiser: [...]. He even voted for me with a very weak [on AdrienIer] case because I pushed for it early on.

So in the hope my reading is right and no interfering happens Adrien should be well done and history.

I am scummy because I jump on a weak Adrien case he started, but his reading is right and he  decides to vig shot Adrien?

I edited your quote to point to my core question, please refer to my other posts for full quotes from Rowain, could you answer this please?

[pindicator]

Rowain, I agree that the circumstances around the claims make all the difference.

I should have waited for people to weigh in on roles. I think I'm the last person to know how these things should be balanced- in 46 I was assuming a 3 person wolf team, of all things! Here I'm probably doing to you the same I was doing to Meiz- letting the tin foil hat get the best of me. But could you talk more about your big picture thoughts regardless? You skipped it to focus on me being foolish.

And I just assumed Meiz's FU power was being Meiz.

Lewwyn, I'm not quite sure how else we can look at who scum is beyond the current you/me/Cyneheard. Clearly you know that we're all not scum regardless of your alignment. Maybe this is just my personality trait of wanting to build consensus, but since I can't find agreement with the people suspecting me then I'm trying to find productive things that we can discuss together.

[Rowain]

@Kaiser I'm not damning you for your Adrien-vote I'm damning you for your constant lynching Commodore is bad + Infolynch is bad clamoring you did. Only late in the day you found info-lynches worthwhile and the very end when the vote didn't matter at all you moved your vote there.

I see that you still try to throw dirt on me similar to Commodore. Perhaps you killed Gazglum to inherit his role.

Ok, point taken I came around late to accept info lynches as a valid strategy and I was wrong about not having suspicion about Commodore.

GG Commodore

b) Kaiser: [...]. He even voted for me with a very weak [on AdrienIer] case because I pushed for it early on.

So in the hope my reading is right and no interfering happens Adrien should be well done and history.

I am scummy because I jump on a weak Adrien case he started, but his reading is right and he  decides to vig shot Adrien?

I edited your quote to point to my core question, please refer to my other posts for full quotes from Rowain, could you answer this please?

Why the f do you alter my quote to mispresent me

b) Kaiser: He was one of the don't lynch Commodore people. He even voted for me with a very weak case because I pushed for it early on.

Thats the real one. No mentioning of Adrien here. You voted lynch Rowain with a very weak case thats what I'm saying here. Why do you bring Adrien in it!?!

[novice]

And I just assumed Meiz's FU power was being Meiz.

OK, that’s clever, but let’s not start a flame war here.

For those discussing two vigs, Meiz said his ability kills but does not reveal the target’s alignment. So it’s an ability that can easily backfire, and not as good as a regular day vig ability.

[Rowain]

And I just assumed Meiz's FU power was being Meiz.

I think you should close the browser take a huge step back deep breathing a cup of tea and search for inner harmony. If you don't fake it like scooter I don't think you are on a healthy path here. Believe me I have been down that path.

About being productive: If you want to help town ignore Meiz and try to make sense of all the other things that happened. So if we lynch you and see your alignement we can at least trust those reads not to be too colored by anger.

[pindicator]

Sorry, I apologize Meiz. I'll stop name calling.

There are additional things upsetting me and it's spilling into my posts and my fun of playing this game. I'll just leave it at that and come back later.