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WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

Omar wanted to share a few of his musings in case he not around after tonight.


Omar tracked Bee-Boy.  Omar figure if he successfully bodyguards and dies, we can confirm a villager based on his target.  Also, Omar not sure how order of operations work, but if Jabbz is who he says, I expect he beholds Omar, and so maybe village gets the information even if Omar gets got tonight.

Omar did not track yesterday for a few reasons.  First, limited charges on an ability that seems to increase in power as targets diminish.  Two, Omar trying to draw a nightkill on himself.  Omar been out of this here game for a long time and so Omar a bit lacking in baselines to read from.  Omar figure if he can draw a night kill, village would be better off overall than if some of the better players go down.  Additionally, Omar just lacks the time and inclination to "Meiz his ass off," and due to 9-5 reasons, that is about to get a lot worse.  If late information affects voting in the future, lets just say Omar often got meetings with lovely men and women in black robes that start a half-hour before deadline.  Day at a time if Omar can make his presence heard at crunch time.  

But at this point, we on a short clock, with only one more guaranteed night after this one to track before the game ends if Omar's arithmetic square, so at this point, better smoke them Newpo's while you got 'em.


It looks like today likely to be a referendum on Doc.  Omar no Mozart.  He don't got that perfect pitch like some players here think they do.  But while Omar lacks that tonal proficiency, and a baseline to really answer a hypothesis, Omar thinks he is able to posit some decent queries.

1) Let's assume Bee-Boy village.  If Doc a villain, would he have gone that hard at him on D1?  It seems Q was probably seen as village by the villains.  Would Doc draw that much unnecessary attention?  If Bee-boy is a villain, Doc's move seems even more unlikely.  Someone with a better sense of baseline Doc should chime in here.  Omar asked yesterday if a villain Weeb Fox kills Duo Puppet and bright lights his misread, but no one who could make that read seemed to really address it.

2) Would Doc bus Flip that hard D2?  This one seems probable to Omar that he might, but others can probably say if Doc arrogant enough to think he and three additional villains could silver tongue a reprieve instead.

3) When Omar assumed Weeb Fox was a villain, it sure looked like Doc and Weeb Fox were going at each other when Weeb Fox was not a threat, but not when Weeb Fox was under the gun, as a misdirect.  But now that Weeb Fox village, Omar has not had a clear reinterp come yet.  Would villain Doc intentionally pick a scrap with Weeb Fox who was looking likely to be mislynched?

4) Omar still remembers that Flip/Doc back-to-back on Skelly ("Bee-Boy") early D1.  A villain attempt to start a train that never left the station on a power player?

5) Omar's notes show that Doc was the leading vote getter at post 116, with four votes.  A close read of the votes before and after could be useful.

Omar voted Doc D1, but this is mainly because Omar woke up to an impossible glut of new posts, never caught up, and felt more comfortable leaving it there than joining in on a fast moving situation without any real understanding.  But Omar did have his vote there initially for a reason.  Overall, Omar think Doc more shady than average this game, but then again, Omar was convinced on Swanson and Weeb Fox too.  Batting average feel closer to Bob Uecker than Ted Williams right now.  Also, not sure why Omar favoring baseball metaphors.  Omar hates baseball.  Following the Orioles more of a downer than heroin.


Jabbz is either impersonating a drowning villager or is a drowning villager.  Omar not sure.  If Jabbz does not behold Omar tonight, that would set off alarms for Omar, given he claims to understand his role now.  If he does behold Omar, then I would tend to think he is village, because that role seems fairly useless for a villain.  That said, Skelly and others say trying to read the game through meta-analysis like that a fool's errand.


Robot has some odd votes as I already pointed out.  Voted Q D1 after saying he thought Q was less suspicious.  Voted Swanson D2 when it was clear that train was going nowhere, then a useless late switch onto Flip. Plus he mentioned that Weeb Fox started the Q train in 537, even though Robot was already asking questions about Q before Weeb Fox's crusade, and votes were already on Q.  Given Robot has made pretty detailed observations when he decides to, this seems maybe a little shady.  Robot's role claim could be true, but is conveniently unverifiable.


Speaking of odd votes, Jerry! voted for Simp D1, Swanson D2, and Bee-Boy D3.  That's three for three voting the lowest vote getter.  This appears to be time-related potentially.  Omar got no clue where Jerry! walks the streets.  Omar not one to call someone out for availability, but again, will leave it to those with baseline reads on Jerry! if his activity alone is a tell one way or the other.  All things being equal though, Jerry! the last of you players at all entertaining Omar, so Omar would probably tiebreak with a reprieve just so he don't die of boredom reading this thread if it was a close call.


Omar notice CIA really went full spook D3.  This was definitely a change in behavior.  But Omar thinks this is likely due to the lynch being fairly obvious, and the thread being cluttered up with Weeb Fox rants, most of which were against Kardashian, who flipped village, along with flailing at Omar, Simp, Robot, Doc, Bee-Boy and probably a few others Omar forgot.   Omar admits he will need the upcoming weekend to truly catch up on D3 because he was not that engaged in the details either.

Also worth noting that best as Omar can recall, only CIA, Doc, and Jerry! have not claimed.  No clue if that means anything at all.


No one expects to die an old man in this here game, so if Omar passes, do not fret.  Just make them Barksdales pay.
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Rowain hasn't been doing these like I've seen him do them in previous games, so I'm going to fill in:

Day 1
8 votes: thrawn/Q (Lewwyn, pindicator, AdrienIer, Commodore, Rowain, Kaiser, sunrise089, Q)
6 votes: pindicator/Henchman 21 (Meiz, Cyneheard, WarriorKnight, Gazglum, Gaspar, novice)
1 votes: Commodore/Flipper (Jabbz)
1 votes: Gaspar/Gregory House (Gold Ergo Sum)
1 votes: Alhambram/Homer Simpson (Bobchillingworth)
1 votes: no lynch (Alhambram)

Day 2
10 votes: Commodore/Flipper (Meiz, Gaspar, Alhambram, sunrise089, novice, WarriorKnight, Jabbz, Gold Ergo Sum, Rowain, Kaiser)
5 votes: WarriorKnight/Statler & Waldorf (pindicator, Commodore, Lewwyn, AdrienIer, Cyneheard)
1 votes: AdrienIer/Ron Swanson (Bobchillingworth)

Day 3
6 votes: Lewwyn/Retsuko (Meiz, Gold Ergo Sum, novice, Jabbz, Alhambram, Gaspar)
4 votes: Gaspar/Gregory House (Lewwyn, Kaiser, Rowain, pindicator)
2 votes: pindicator/Henchman 21/Gary (Bobchillingworth, sunrise089)

I want to start by focusing on the day 2 votes. I'm the only person who is still alive that voted WarriorKnight day 2. Everyone who was not Commodore was town. I am town too. I know some of you don't like the big picture type of thinking, but you'll have to indulge me a little again. Because here goes:

Commodore was bussed hard day 2

Furthermore: This appears to have been planned.

It looks like the plan was to set up WarriorKnight voters for a series of mislynches, much like Rowain reminded us had been done before. Now, we have caught some breaks here. First, Rowain shot one of the WarriorKnight voters when he took out AdrienIer. Second, RL intervened when Cyneheard was removed from the game. So with this in mind:

DO NOT GIVE TOWN CREDIT FOR VOTING COMMODORE DAY 2

We know that the people who voted on Commodore stayed on him most of the day. There were a couple pushes by Lewwyn: one on AdrienIer, another on WarriorKnight, and some other cases. But it was mostly the same people jumping around to other targets - the people who are mostly dead now. I also wouldn't waste much effort on vote analysis with day 2. Most of the non-Commodore voters from that day are dead anyway.

The question next is: When did the scum team decide to bus Commodore? I don't believe this was some kind of gambit out of the gate. If it is then they've got bigger brass ones than yours truly. But I think the seeds of it were planted towards the end of Day 1. Whatever the reason, we don't see a lot of effort from Commodore day 2 so I think it was planned from Night 1 at the latest.

So next bold point: I'm still giving town credit to early Day 1 Commodore voters. That means Meiz is still on my town list. He is going pretty hard against Lewwyn on day 1 when Lewwyn was pushing thrawn. I've got a little voice in the back of my head saying "what if Meiz was just pushing against Commodore day 1 and acting his part out", but you can only take this so far before it gets tin-foil-hat. I mean, what if the wolves were all pushing each other day 1? People are going to have to look at how opinions change about players and judge for themselves. Furthermore, my top suspect waffled on Commodore day 1 and so if Gaspar turns up being scum, I think that all but solidifies Meiz as town in my mind.

Rowain gets town points for his AdrienIer kill. Without that the scum get an extra day of shrugging their shoulders and pointing at the next WarriorKnight voter. (Tin Foil hat: scum had an extra night kill on-off that they could use and Rowain covered for it by using it in a plausibly town way. Rowain's Day 1 vote against Thrawn put thrawn in first place and saved me, but also moved Commodore solidly from being 1 vote away from tying first place to 3 votes away. But then scum get an extra night kill and also the traitor's poison? Simpler answer is Rowain did a good town vig shot.)

Novice loses all his day 2 town points and now is in the neutral camp. Most of my town cred for novice was that he was asking questions well day 2 and his day 2 vote solidified Commodore. His disappearing act yesterday was not good.

Gaspar is public enemy #1. We have to vote for Gaspar tomorrow:

As Lewwyn pointed out in post #1292, Gaspar is only focused on voting against WarriorKnight voters. Early in day 3, post #1017 is the exact kind of waffling post scum make when they're about to lynch someone town and want to give themselves an out for not being the target the next day:

(October 6th, 2020, 11:49)Gaspar Wrote: Some thoughts while I process all the stuff that just happened...
  • I don't like Weeb Fox's game at all, and I think it fits with a scum game. In 46 he was super hyper active. He rolls scum here so decides to go with a more traditional game. He gets a ton of shit for it so he decides he needs to start driving the bus. But while it has all the same beats as his game in 46, it lacks the same conviction. There's yelling and there's yelling with purpose. This game has been all noise. Forget how right/wrong he's been and just listen to cadence. Its wrong. But I'm not going to spend 48 hours arguing with Weeb Fox. I will be listening to him with great interest, though.
  • pindicator sounds like himself overnight, but again, the self-pity stuff is just a common scum play. And I STILL think Commodore hung Thrawn to save him.
  • I think there were scum on both sides of the vote though, its too facile to clear all the Commodore voters, especially with so many of them. I would look in particular hard at late Commodore voters after we investigate the WK voters. This means Jabbz, GES and Kaiser. Rowain mostly gets to slide because it was evident all along he would swap back to Commodore. Basically I give Meiz, novice and Rowain full credit for the Commodore lynch. Everyone else gets partial or none.
  • Kaiser's claim seems easy to fake and in fact even if legit seems like a scum role - kill a guy, take his identity, get his powers? IDK, but it certainly doesn't clear him.
  • I'm skeptical of anyone who wasn't a likely night kill posting WoT overnight. Its such an easy play. FOS Alhambram, Pindicator, Lewwyn, Kaiser.
  • Also not sure why anyone is role-claiming right now? There's still too many of us alive and if I were scum the thing I'd be most wary of us the fact that there's more roles than normal out there.

After all that, I'm gonna start with Cyneheard. I thought Weeb Fox's WK case was pretty weak by his standards and I know why pindicator was on it and the other two are dead. Cyne, what did you find so convincing, why was Commodore not scum in your eyes and uh, what are your thoughts on some other players, since you also have a pretty small footprint.

What else is so off about this post? Gaspar had been trying to tie me to Commodore since Day 1. Post 348 he starts speculating that I'm probably scum and he thinks Commodore is scum. He then votes me late in day 1 and again repeats that Commodore-scum was trying to save me and that is his reasoning.

Yet what happened after Commodore scum flipped? Gaspar didn't vote for me. Gaspar steered clear of me. Gaspar is setting up mislynches.

I'm out of time. Wish I had more, there's plenty of posts to quote. Like COmmodore's

Bodyguarding Rowain tonight. I tossed it up between him, Meiz, and thought a little about giving it to sunrise too since the wolves are obviously very smart about their targets and now I have to play a bit of mind games since revealing.



Whether you need to lynch me first or not to accept it, that's up to you. Commodore was bussed hard to set up WarriorKnight voters. But it will be a special kind of irony if the people who wouldn't vote for me when I was begging them to yesterday now come around and say they have to vote me today.


(October 8th, 2020, 17:04)WarriorKnight Wrote: GL all, time to heckle from the other side.

Man, I want this as my epitaph when I go in RL. GG WarriorKnight.
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looks like the wolves killed BRick
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Deadline. You guys and your last minute posts.
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(October 9th, 2020, 11:06)Rowain Wrote: looks like the wolves killed BRick

Omar entertained.
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novice has been eliminated. He was a Hero 1-shot Governor

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Welcome to WW48! You are a Hero 1-Shot Governor..

You have seen and *lived* your fair share of horrors. You did everything to save Brody when you knew he was innocent, and you can save someone else from the firing squad as well, you’re sure of it.

You have the following active ability:
Governor: Once this game, during the first 36 hours of a day, you may target a player. That player will be ineligible for elimination by voting that day. All previous votes for that player will be removed, and other players voting for that player will have to re-vote. This power cannot be used when fewer than 6 players remain.

You win if all threats to the Heroes are eliminated and at least one Hero-aligned player is alive.
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Day 4 Begins.
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GG novice.

My first instict thoughts: I like GE's post and put him as more town based on it.

Rowain has been converted? Surprised with his view of game.

Kaiser moves to RED with:

(October 9th, 2020, 10:59)Kaiser Wrote: Personally I am more wary of Gaspar and Novice at the moment, I need to get a clearer look at their Day2 and Day3 voting in connection with their late switch on pindicator without further information.
Rowain needs a special mention here as well, as he remains on my suspect list, event though apparently everybody else seems fine with his play I am wavering between seeing good and valid arguments and feeling scuminess from the way he posts, buddies or reacts to certain game circumstances.
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GG novice, I am still at work and typing with Iphone in breakroom. soon home for expanded thoughts.
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(October 9th, 2020, 11:16)Meiz Wrote: GG novice.

My first instict thoughts: I like GE's post and put him as more town based on it.

Rowain has been converted? Surprised with his view of game.

Kaiser moves to RED with:

(October 9th, 2020, 10:59)Kaiser Wrote: Personally I am more wary of Gaspar and Novice at the moment, I need to get a clearer look at their Day2 and Day3 voting in connection with their late switch on pindicator without further information.
Rowain needs a special mention here as well, as he remains on my suspect list, event though apparently everybody else seems fine with his play I am wavering between seeing good and valid arguments and feeling scuminess from the way he posts, buddies or reacts to certain game circumstances.

Sure, do you want to lay out why exactly? Am I mindgaming everyone by stating my suspicion of novice just before the WW kill I should have known of?

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Omar got a complicated relationship with law enforcement, CIA, but you felt alright to Omar. Sad to see you go.
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