(October 9th, 2020, 16:04)Meiz Wrote: As for Rowain, I think he is more town due to reasons I posted shortly before deadline.
And yet at the start of the day you implied that he set you up, by making an argument that you had to prove yourself, then knowing your powers were going to be taken away. That hardly seems like a line of questioning one would hit a town leaned person with. You also have not backed off from that position that I can see in the thread at least.
(October 9th, 2020, 14:45)Jabbz Wrote: I can't think, off the top of my head, anywhere that you've made solid arguments about me as scum. What exactly pushes you in that direction. Also if you are thinking that Rowain set you up with his EON statement, why do you still have him in town?
I don't have a solid scum read of you. I didn't like your D1 skipping and I don't recall you making any arguments for why Commodore is scum on D2, more of questioning what the case is against him. I've also felt like you're throwing shade on me for reason's I don't understand. Tone? Metagaming? No idea.
I did a fair bit of questioning on the case about him earlier in the day, I really mistrusted Rowain's push on him. Towards EOD however I gave these.
(October 5th, 2020, 10:38)Jabbz Wrote: Ok. Caught up on my reread of commo. Squeezing in catching up rq, will likely drop last minute vote. Sorry bout that.
(October 5th, 2020, 10:53)Jabbz Wrote:
I'm as caught up as I'm going to be, though it required some skimming.
I did a pretty solid readthrough of Commo, and I'm getting a reasonable set of scum leans. I feel he played the "beeboy" stuff out for a great deal of content without any real substance.
I don't like this, though i suppose it's possible I'm misreading. However here he votes for pindi
(October 2nd, 2020, 08:28)Commodore Wrote: EEE-*chirup* e'Eeeee ttickakakakatttata Eeeeee eee.
<Pindicator until I complete my reread. Were I a human I'd have meetings first though.
And then turns around saying he didn't vote for pindi? I'm very confused, and he never addresses this again.
(October 2nd, 2020, 10:53)Commodore Wrote: Iiiichirr tiiiii *chirup* kakakakakakakaka!
<My inability to parse GES' post was him refering to me voting for bee-boy, who was...Pindicator? I don't know! I didn't vote for Pindicator!>
Kakakakakakaka EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE E! E! E!
<Jabbz' vote seems to be because I get counted as voting twice thank to the translation gimmick need!>
Chiiiiii, titteeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE e'reeee EEEEyiii chi yiiii.
<Pindicator is a null read thus far, while Q seems to be varrible but I *really* want that Lewwyn read.>
Jumps on thrawn last minute, I assume outa self preservation.
Night is very low effort. Talks about himself being mislynched, still expresses confusion of GES's posts, and drops a vote on him at night, then again first thing in the day, but doesn't push anywhere else with significance once he drops that. and spends rest of time defending himself.
I get wanting to preserve yourself, and I appreciate letting us know what you did last night, but I don't see anything productive in the realm of scum hunting. I'm fully aware of the irony in saying that, but you're the one with his head on the block, not me.
There is a likely possibility that someone else could be more scummy at this point, but I feel reasonable in adding my name to the list of those voting for Commodore.
As to you, there were a couple of things. Tone was absolutely one. Your interaction with a few people has rubbed me the wrong way. I don't like your roleclaim. At all. It doesn't fit with the game and seems anti town. I don't want to dig deep into meta reasons, but I also don't like the way you brought your roll into discussion, basically melding the effect one of action with saw with the claim of another player. Add that to its convenient disappearance and I have issues.
I'll admit the first part isn't really something you can defend against, and as such I don't give that too much weight, as you're not responsible for how I feel about you in the game. But the second half is something I've been digging at for a few hours now, and I only get worse and worse feelings as the conversation goes by.
Sorry I haven't been around, I don't really believe in explaining RL issues because generally its scummy but I am a heavy poster normally and I've basically been absent for like 48 hrs, so... sorry, I've been working a lot. I probably won't be around much for the next 24 hours either, but I *should* be around after that. Work sucks.
Anyway, enough of that nonsense. Let's see if I can summarize what's happened since I was last here, please fill me in if I missed something because I skim-red and won't have time for a full read til tomorrow:
I went from minimal suspicion to Public Enemy #2
Cyneheard mod-killed and confirmed town
Lewwyn hung and confirmed town
novice night-killed and confirmed town
Kaiser claimed to use his power on Meiz but nah jk
Omar tracked Pindicator who visited Rowain and was watched by Jabbz, none of which actually tells us anything, but seems like way too many people in the same place in the era of social distancing
Rowain asked how we can be sure Meiz has his power and then Meiz immediately learns he's lost his power
Pindicator and Meiz are doing Pindicator and Meiz things
Ok so... I'm not sure what I'm supposed to defend, but I'll explain my D3 if that's the question. I wanted a WK voter dead yesterday because 1. I suspected at least 1 scum there and 2. I felt if we didn't get a resolution there we'd just discuss the same shit today. It seemed that Lewwyn and Pindicator would get enough examination by others so I thought someone should look at Cyneheard. I *still* contend that the stuff I thought was scummy from Cyne was indeed scummy, but obviously that's just Cyneheard and I don't have his baseline right. Sorry, Cyneheard! Basically, I knew Lewwyn would hang, thought it was reasonable that Lewwyn hanged and so... kinda took the rest of the day off. Bad Gaspar, but like I said, <insert pablum about my RL that nobody cares about here>
With the revelation that most of the WK voters are town and the fact that we have loads more info, its pretty clear that Commodore *was* bussed to at least some extent and I'd guess there's at least two scum on Commodore. As stated before, the folks I give credit to on Commodore are the ones who were on him D1, or before it was certain he'd be a target.
I don't have time for anything deeper but right now I'm of the opinion there's 1 uber-wolf in the Meiz/Rowain/sunrise group and then the other two are in the Kaiser, Jabbz, Bob, Pindicator, GES, Alhambram mush.
I'm going to have to do a deeper dive on that first group, because I have strong town-leans on all of them. For now, I'm sticking to the more questionable mush that I don't have anything firm on and someone I've been on the fence about all along: Kaiser. I'm just not sure I buy the role-claim or the claimed actions.
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
Last post Omar was able to take notes on and analyze to truly form coherent thoughts about was way back at 1,225. Omar thought he could catch up tomorrow by resolving the beef taking up his time at his 9-5, but after a rejection of the last offer this afternoon, lookin' like Omar gotta spend a good part of this weekend prepping to spend some serious time with the black robes next week.
Omar sincerely apologize for signing up and not being able to keep up as well as he would like. Omar promise to re-read this evening and tomorrow afternoon if possible. Omar not looking to ghost this game after we already lost Kardashian. Quick glance suggests the post count and size aren't quite as burdensome as they were a few days back.
Omar can confirm Bee-Boy targeted Old Tea Man, but cannot confirm the power used.
Completed: SG2-Wonders or Else!; SG3-Monarch Can't Hold Me; WW3-Surviving Wolf; PBEM3-Replacement for Timmy of Khmer; PBEM11-Screwed Up Huayna Capac of Zulu; PBEM19-GES, Roland & Friends (Mansa of Egypt); SG4-Immortality Scares Me
You know what, I'm done with making excuses for Meiz to myself. I refuse to believe he's THAT stubborn as town. It has to be a facade. He has to be exaggerating his normal self unintentionally to sound town.
He was calling Lewwyn scummy for defending me day 1 before the day was done because he wanted to vote Commodore.
Day 2 he's on Commodore early and often but I'm again scummy. But he won't really look out build cases elsewhere.
Day 3 he should be voting for me but he's being stubborn again and just sitting on Lewwyn. I'm begging him to vote me, but he thinks I'm scum trying to save his scum buddy. Now he thinks I'm scum for it anyway.
Today he hasn't even voted yet despite his list. Waiting to see where the winds blow?
I agree with Gaspar's last post that there's an uber-wolf. Personally, I think wolves all decided to vote each other early D1 and whomever stuck would be lynched to the credit of the rest of them.
They're going to all just shrug their shoulders and go down the list. I don't understand Rowain's and Meiz's 180 on Gaspar today.
This game has been tainted for me for a while now. So fuck it, I'm voting Meiz until one of us is dead
Quick note: I am only caught up to like an hour after the night deadline. I decided to fly back to DC on no notice to handle some household business. Will get caught up ASAP.
(October 9th, 2020, 16:04)Meiz Wrote: As for Rowain, I think he is more town due to reasons I posted shortly before deadline.
And yet at the start of the day you implied that he set you up, by making an argument that you had to prove yourself, then knowing your powers were going to be taken away. That hardly seems like a line of questioning one would hit a town leaned person with. You also have not backed off from that position that I can see in the thread at least.
I repeat myself, if you read someone talking just before end of night how you are required to use your power on certain day or get lynched, and then read a pm from GM stating your power has been lost, how would you react?
I know you posted an accusation and vote agaisnt Commodore end of the day when he was going down. I would find it more believable if the accusation had come before he was to be lynched.
(October 9th, 2020, 17:19)Jabbz Wrote: As to you, there were a couple of things. Tone was absolutely one. Your interaction with a few people has rubbed me the wrong way. I don't like your roleclaim. At all. It doesn't fit with the game and seems anti town. I don't want to dig deep into meta reasons, but I also don't like the way you brought your roll into discussion, basically melding the effect one of action with saw with the claim of another player. Add that to its convenient disappearance and I have issues.
What we know as a fact: Gazglum's alignment and role were hidden. So this type of role is already confirmed in the game. People were starting to throw theory on Kaiser's ability being "kill a target and steal his role". I had a way to bring information that more likely there is a simpler role in play, night version of what I possess, so I did just that.
(October 9th, 2020, 18:17)pindicator Wrote: You know what, I'm done with making excuses for Meiz to myself. I refuse to believe he's THAT stubborn as town. It has to be a facade. He has to be exaggerating his normal self unintentionally to sound town.
He was calling Lewwyn scummy for defending me day 1 before the day was done because he wanted to vote Commodore.
Day 2 he's on Commodore early and often but I'm again scummy. But he won't really look out build cases elsewhere.
Day 3 he should be voting for me but he's being stubborn again and just sitting on Lewwyn. I'm begging him to vote me, but he thinks I'm scum trying to save his scum buddy. Now he thinks I'm scum for it anyway.
Today he hasn't even voted yet despite his list. Waiting to see where the winds blow?
I agree with Gaspar's last post that there's an uber-wolf. Personally, I think wolves all decided to vote each other early D1 and whomever stuck would be lynched to the credit of the rest of them.
They're going to all just shrug their shoulders and go down the list. I don't understand Rowain's and Meiz's 180 on Gaspar today.
This game has been tainted for me for a while now. So fuck it, I'm voting Meiz until one of us is dead
I simply don't trust your push to get Gaspar lynched today. I don't think his D1 fits as Commodore's scumbuddy, and I think you left out the points that wouldn't fit in the idea for uber-Gaspar wolf (see my eod post on Gaspar).
As for why I haven't voted yet, I spent more-than-is-acceptable time for going through D1 & D2, resulting in me skipping RL stuff that shouldn't have been skipped. Felt mandatory to get my thoughts out in case I was killed, especially the read on Gaspar. I don't feel the need to bulldoze my views for town today, others can read my throughts, consider if they are valid and make their own decisions.
Sidenote, I will not focus largely on this game today (except viewing from time to time from mobile of course ), as this time RL takes precedence.
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