WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[Kaiser]

Oh yes, I double voted again but I could not resist putting the GrandMaMeiz in red xD. I will celebrate this hard when Meiz turns up wolf either now or after the game.
If Meiz turns up WW, I suspect we will find the power used on Gazglum on him.

[Rowain]

tally
6 votes: Kaiser (Bobchillingworth, Gaspar, Rowain, Meiz, GES, sunrise)
4 votes: Meiz (pindicator, Jabbz, Kaiser, Alhambram)


History
pindi votes Gaspar
Bob votes Kaiser
Gaspar votes Kaiser
piindi switches from Gaspar to Meiz
Rowain votes Kaiser
Jabbz votes Meiz
Meiz votes Kaiser
Kaiser votes Meiz
Alhambram votes Meiz
GES votes Robot( Kaiser)
sunrise votes Kaiser
(Kaiser revotes Meiz)

[Rowain]

A voyeur can only confirm what action happened not who did it so why would scum Kaiser not claim he saw it happen? Well one explaination iis that that would move Meiz into confirmed villager-status which makes it hard for scum to line up mislynches.

But what bother s me here is that nobody pointed this out before. Now I understand people not knowing what role Kaiser claimed or what it does but why the heck did Kaiser himself not point it out? He knows his role doesn't he? The only conclusion I can draw is he doesn't really have this role

So while I'm willing to look elsewhere I must say he feels scummier every move.

[Kaiser]

For starters, you could have cemeted your town cover by me confirming that you were visited by a role like you claimed. You are already spreading your town credit to Rowain who has been nagging at you in the past about your role claim.
I think you were seeing an opportunity here to set up your endgame with Meiz and Rowain as strong town leans misleading the remaining town. The remaining wolf likely is Gaspar due to his play the other Days.

[Rowain]

For starters, you could have cemeted your town cover by me confirming that you were visited by a role like you claimed.

You could only confirm that his role was stolen so how should that happen if Meiz is scum. Somehow you seem to forget what Voyeur does.

[Alhambram]

For starters, you could have cemeted your town cover by me confirming that you were visited by a role like you claimed. You are already spreading your town credit to Rowain who has been nagging at you in the past about your role claim.
I think you were seeing an opportunity here to set up your endgame with Meiz and Rowain as strong town leans misleading the remaining town. The remaining wolf likely is Gaspar due to his play the other Days.

I think that it is not good idea to speculate who remaining wolves are, I did that after Commodore flipped red and look what happened afterwards.
It is better now to check who look most scummy now than speculate about who sit in team.

Thanks for pointing to your answer for double post, I didn't understand it first.

[Alhambram]

There is 7 hours left before deadline. All what I ask is players to think for themselves when and how the idea that Lewwyn/Commodore/Pindicator is scum team did start because it did led to mislynching of Lewwyn.

[Meiz]

For starters, you could have cemeted your town cover by me confirming that you were visited by a role like you claimed. You are already spreading your town credit to Rowain who has been nagging at you in the past about your role claim.
I think you were seeing an opportunity here to set up your endgame with Meiz and Rowain as strong town leans misleading the remaining town. The remaining wolf likely is Gaspar due to his play the other Days.

Like Rowain pointed out, this is the description of your claimed role: Hero 3-Shot Voyeur. A Voyeur can learn what actions targeted a player at night. So at best you would either see what action was targeted on me in all the detail (?), or see that no action was targeted on me.

And now you claim that my idea to frame you was to fake out the stripping of my powers. That doesn't make any sense to me if I would be scum and you as town.

[Meiz]

There is 7 hours left before deadline. All what I ask is players to think for themselves when and how the idea that Lewwyn/Commodore/Pindicator is scum team did start because it did led to mislynching of Lewwyn.

The answer is pretty clear to me. Lewwyn had a very heavy impact on pushing lynches away from Commodore. Pindicator had no interest in suspecting or going after Commodore. Even on Day 1 when he was a lynch candidate and Commodore was the running candidate before thrawn. I find it very suspicious that he claims he never took a look at Commodore's post, because his dolphin RP was too distracting.

[Kaiser]

Death's are not informed by PM's as far as I know.

I wonder what my plan would have been on framing you?

I am not allowed to quote Brick here I believe, but you can check post 1 of this thread for this line "Players must check their PMs and make sure they're alive each game day before posting.

A voyeur can only confirm what action happened not who did it so why would scum Kaiser not claim he saw it happen? Well one explaination iis that that would move Meiz into confirmed villager-status which makes it hard for scum to line up mislynches.

But what bother s me here is that nobody pointed this out before. Now I understand people not knowing what role Kaiser claimed or what it does but why the heck did Kaiser himself not point it out? He knows his role doesn't he? The only conclusion I can draw is he doesn't really have this role

So while I'm willing to look elsewhere I must say he feels scummier every move.

For starters, you could have cemeted your town cover by me confirming that you were visited by a role like you claimed. You are already spreading your town credit to Rowain who has been nagging at you in the past about your role claim.
I think you were seeing an opportunity here to set up your endgame with Meiz and Rowain as strong town leans misleading the remaining town. The remaining wolf likely is Gaspar due to his play the other Days.

Crossposted with your above statement, where is the "see source" button you were mentioning?
I currently cannot confirm how much time passed between these two posts. I can just state that I did not read yours before.
Also:

I feel that my role is most helpful when I can confirm certain actions on players which are more unlikely to actually take place in the early days. I already wasted one charge on an early visit on novice and decided that I will try to keep it for later.
So I decided to fake the use of my power to disincentivize Wolves going for Meiz. Turns out I would have had something to see/or not to see last night, but I decided wrongly apparently.

I want you all to consider:
- What I have gained by claiming my role and the inheritance of Gazglums role?
- Why I would point out that I faked the visit instead of making something up that would have benefitted me and or Meiz depending on Meiz scuminess?

Regarding my vote, I have not finished looking into who might have lead Lewwyn along day2, but Meiz was involved.
I started wondering why the wolves killed novice last night, I believe it could have been to create village credit for wolves having a town lean on novice. That coincides with Meiz EoN post as well as his early statement about being surprised about Rowain and me being RED.

Here I talk about the implications of me claiming anything else, I can go into more detail if you want:
Assumption A: (Kaiser Scum, Meiz no scum)
- he likely never had that Voyeur role (though he might have had a WW version of it)
- 100% hit on confirming (A1) or denying (A2) action as as a WW he would know that Meiz claim is true due to WW executing on it. He would not be able to disclose the executing person due to Voyeur not disclosing this information
- A1. Meiz no scum will get a positive read on Kaiser, the remaining players as well but they have to consider a Meiz scum scenario
- A2. Meiz would know Kaiser scum, the remaining town would have know to players to likely focus this Day. Meiz has higher town credit than Kaiser so likely Kaiser lynch and Meiz confirmation (due to scenario Kaiserscum) => very bad play, Scum Kaiser should just have confirmed here (A1)


Assumption B: (Kaiser Scum, Meiz Scum)
- he likely never had that Voyeur role (though he might have had a WW version of it)
- 100% hit on confirming action as as a WW he would know that Meiz claim is false due to WW executing on it and Meiz being Scum. He would not be able to disclose the executing person due to Voeur not disclosing this information.
- The remaining players as might get a better town read on Kaiser but they have to consider a Meiz scum scenario. At least Kaiser would benefit from Meiz heavy town lean

Assumption C: (Kaiser no scum, Meiz no scum)
- he has the role he claimed
- 100% hit on confirming action as Meiz claim is true due to him being town. He would not be able to disclose the executing person due to Voeur not disclosing this information
- Meiz no scum will get a positive read on Kaiser, the remaining players as well but they have to consider a Meiz scum scenario

Assumption D: (Kaiser no scum, Meiz scum)
- he has the role he claimed
- 100% hit on confirming action as Meiz claim is true due to him being town. He would not be able to disclose the executing person due to Voeur not disclosing this information
- Meiz scum will get a positive town creadit from Kaiser, the remaining players as well but they have to consider a Kaiser scum scenario. Kaiser as the next night kill would confirm him and Gazglum as town and would solidify Meiz town as well.

I believe the right play for me as a wolf would have been to support Meiz claim, because it either was true and I knew it or it was not but would have given credit to me and my scumbuddy Meiz in that scenario.
However I chose to deny actually having taken the action, because I did not and so i did not know of any action executed on Meiz and I do not think it prudent to lie in this game as a townie.



Btw.
I made a clear (well, apart from the text color) statement about what my role and Gazglums role I inherited were capable of doing when I revealed, you can check here in case you have questions