WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[Meiz]

Yep, the players who have the ability to RP well should be spared in general, but if scum-Jerry ripped us from WK, then he deserves to die.

[Meiz]

Can someone else chime in on sunrise's question on Pind post #1413. Am I misparsing what he meants hre, or how should scum know he will be targeting me with his ability?

[Gaspar]

Yeah, ok.

Bob

Is it too much to hope for more digging of this game and potential scum findings from you?

Sure.

I'm not going to re-read with a bunch of quotes and post links but I'll give you some thoughts...

Remaining players - 10. Overwhelming likelihood 7 town, 3 scum.

Meiz:
Scum case: Uberwolf mastermind. Bussed Commodore to frame Lewwyn, who was a higher profile scalp and would be difficult to nightkill given claimed hider. Lied about his role.
Town case: Town vibe, Occams says he just caught Commodore for the same reasons I did.

Pindicator:
Scum case: Commodore did try to save him. Play has been erratic, consistent with erratic play from third party Pin from 46.
Town case: Somebody saw him visiting Rowain who scum had no reason to visit other than to kill. Has been way too high profile with his mistakes to be scum.

Jabbz:
Scum case: Spent the whole game focused on roles. One of the two watching/tracking roles is likely scum. Small footprint. Occasionally inscrutable.
Town case: Seems like he's trying in a way I don't usually see scum trying. Of the two tracking roles, I find tracker scummier than beholder.

Kaiser:
Scum case: Roland, questionable claim, focused on minute policy issues.
Town case: Left to hang very quietly.

Alhambram:
Scum case: Where we are now, I would guess 1 of the neighbors are scum. Early play very scummy.
Town case: Later play, very towny. Seems like he's learning and trying earnestly.

Bob:
Scum case: Classic lurker scum. Hasn't said much of anything.
Town case: We just lynched him last game for the same thing and he was town.

GES:
Scum case: One of the watcher/tracker roles likely scum. His role the scummier of the two. Very wishy-washy.
Town case: Don't have a town baseline on him and he's seemed way more helpful than the game he was scum.

sunrise:
Scum case: Has softly hammered the same case since day one but is never really willing to champion it, has basically disappeared, probably due to RL issues but... we've been fooled by that before.
Town case: He was probably one of the two or three most town players in my book until I reexamined.

Rowain:
Scum case: Other potential uberwolf.
Town case: There's no way there's a scum vig, IMO. Was visited by a whole football team. Sounds towny.

So... laying it out, I'm keeping Rowain as the only person in my firm town camp. Meiz and Pindicator I think are the next two. Probably Alhambram right after.

That leaves the scum from one of Jabbz/GES plus two of Kaiser, Bob, sunrise.

Yeah, I think that's where I'm at.

[Gaspar]

Can someone else chime in on sunrise's question on Pind post #1413. Am I misparsing what he meants hre, or how should scum know he will be targeting me with his ability?

Not sure what sunrise's question is there? We have double confirmation that Pind visited Rowain, so why would anyone be suspecting he protected Meiz?

[Meiz]

Yes we do have confirmation of that. So what does this postrefer to then?

Where did I say I have to vote you today? I'm giving Gaspar credit for his D1, which you have ignored in your read.

My mistake, I reread the big post after skimming it initially. But you are sure stubbornly on me yet wouldn't vote me yesterday despite clinging to the Comm-saved-Pin D1 theory.

You should have voted me yesterday Meiz.

For good.

So we have a scum Role-blocker, a scum ability to prevent alignment and role of a kill, a scum ability to remove a power permanently, and I'd guess just one more scum ability unless there's a stacked JOAT out there.

I was going to come out and say this was all convenient of you, however this would be the most creative claim sequence and totally unnecessary. Scum knows I was protecting you, and they know you said you were going to rightly save the ability to the end. Plus it seems a good balance to town having 2 vig abilities.

I find this all believable.

[pindicator]

@pindicator, 1413 - what do you mean there about protecting Meiz? Didn’t you protect Rowain?

@pindicator - you talked today about one reason you wanted to die before Lewwyn. I asked you about this late day 3 and you said you’d say the full reason post-game. I know there’s no vote pressure on you now but I don’t love you withholding part of that reason.

1413 i had to go and reread because that didn't make sense. I think I just mixed up my subjects when typing that out.

For your second question, I don't love it either. Best answer i can give you without upsetting Brick is that I don't want to upset Brick.

I don't know if I catch up in reading before deadline. I'm supposed to leave right at deadline and have a lot to do to get ready. Will post as I go

[Gaspar]

I honestly have no idea.

[Meiz]

wtf

[Rowain]

Jabbz:
Scum case: Spent the whole game focused on roles.  One of the two watching/tracking roles is likely scum.  Small footprint.  Occasionally inscrutable.  
Town case: Seems like he's trying in a way I don't usually see scum trying.  Of the two tracking roles, I find tracker scummier than beholder.


GES:
Scum case: One of the watcher/tracker roles likely scum.  His role the scummier of the two.  Very wishy-washy.
Town case: Don't have a town baseline on him and he's seemed way more helpful than the game he was scum.

That doesn't work out. We have confirmation from Jabbz that GES did learn pindi visiting me. So either both town, both scum or only Jabbz scum.

[Gaspar]

That doesn't work out. We have confirmation from Jabbz that GES did learn pindi visiting me. So either both town, both scum or only Jabbz scum.

Am I missing something? If GES is a scum tracker and Jabbz is a town beholder and GES followed Pindi to bodyguard you and Jabbz learned that GES learned that, how does that not work? I'm not saying I think that's what happened, but it seems as plausible as any other configuration.