WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[Meiz]

Too bad you are out of bullets and have to do it the old fashioned way.

[pindicator]

If you want to get someone lynched just have me publicly defend them!

[Rowain]

Too bad you are out of bullets and have to do it the old fashioned way.

I love old fashioned.

[Jabbz]

While recalling Omar's solid advice to avoid night talk, the Sekeletor does not know when to shut up. His top suspects are:

Sunrise, hedging his vote when Bob's life was on the line is suspicious. I think he was waiting & playing time in the hopes of someone moving over to vote me, in which case his vote to "save me" would be too late in a tiebreak. If Gaspar is town (as I strongly believe) and Pindicator is town, sunrise's play starts to look very different.

He was not a D1 Commodore pusher which I think is the most telling day out of the ones going after Commodore. Gaspar was. I don't see sunrise ever taking a real interest in getting Commodore killed D1, despite there being pushers on it.

Jabbz. I think he made much bigger deal on the reasoning to vote me than was warranted, due to me lashing out to Rowain. He has his idea on how neatly town should have handled the situation, and because I didn't do that, I am scum. Additionally he bases his suspicion on me with a simple logic of town can't have an anti-town type of role.

I know sunrise has thrown Jabbz name out as a suspect, one big part of it being the PM tell (my original notice, why would Jabbz check his role description from wiki, instead of checking the PM directly that should have all the info).

And I know Jabbz had his null vote on Commodore D1.

Neither of these points make me think they couldn't be in a same team with each other, or with Commodore.

One clarification Meiz. I did check my post. I stated that clearly. I wasn't entirely sure if it meant what I thought it meant, so I went to the wiki for additional information, where it gives more information than the pm by far. That clarified my understanding of the PM.

As to the voting on you, it's far more based on how I dislike the situation regarding your role claim, it has nothing to do with Rowain. I made observations about it in context to that, but my issue is you claiming to have a roll that doesn't make sense to me, then when forced to potentially prove said roll, you say you can't prove it anymore.

[Rowain]

@Jabbz
The mafia wiki say the standard description is

"you will learn all information that your target learns that Night"

I'm pretty sure that BRick did include something like that in his post.

[Jabbz]

*Checked my PM not post. It's early.

[Jabbz]

@Jabbz
The mafia wiki say the standard description is

"you will learn all information that your target learns that Night"

I'm pretty sure that BRick did include something like that in his post.

The mafia wiki also has a very large section on standard version etc, that gives a hell of a lot more information about how the role works. If yall wana go after me thats fine, TBH I'm not going to defend myself that much. Town will get more information out of who is pushing for my death than they will from my play, which I know has been substandard.

[Rowain]

Oh i have little intention to go after you for that episode.

[Kaiser]

Assuming we have 2 wolves left, among 9 players to be 8 in an hour or so, we have successfully pushed lylo back for another day to Day6. Meaning we have a bit of breathing room with one possible mislynch tomorrow (Day5) but then have to hit Scum the day after (Day6).
I suggest we try to avoid using it but information reveal should be a factor when deciding on the upcoming lynch.
 
We also can consider a no-lynch day, pushing the lylo one day later and having the wolves to kill first giving more information and reducing the number of possible targets. However, my personal assumption still is that at least one of the more spoken out players with a lot of town credit is a wolf, thus I do not suggest it as there is a big risk that this person might influence only one player (as with no lynch there are 5 players left if we miss our shot on Day6) on Day7 to win the game for wolves. 


I see 3 scenario's for today to have played out:

Scenario A: (Kaiser and Meiz scum)
Meiz and me know for a fact that this is not the case, as we know our alignment and would now the other's in case we would be WW. The rest of you have to consider it though. 
In this case the wolves fucked up badly and had to sacrifice Bob to get out of today's vote as well as to set up for the coming days with less suspicion. It probably would be the best play wolves could have done as both would have likely ended up on the Day5 vote.

Scenario B: (One of Kaiser and Meiz Scum)
B1. Kaiser scum, Meiz town
In this case it was a very close call and the other wolf was likely already on Meiz, probably early to pull few suspicion but also not able to shift the tally heavier against Meiz. Meiz then hit a streak of Genius targeting the lowest effort Player in the game hitting WWbob. 
B2. Meiz scum, Kaiser town
In this case it was a very close call and the other wolf was likely already on Kaiser, probably early to pull few suspicion but also not able to shift the tally heavier against Kaiser. The wolves then decided to sacrifice Bob to further enhance Meiz town credit and hopefully will be able to keep Meiz from being a major decision of the final vote on Day5.

Scenario C: (None of Kaiser and Meiz scum)
The wolves were very happy and probably spread out over Meiz and Kaiser, to keep connections low for later in the game. Maybe though it was the wolves who made the call this close, in that case I would expect them to have been on Meiz as he is the more active player and a more important town asset than I am due to his high town cred. The wolves then were hit again with a major blow (after loosing thrawn Day1) when Meiz started a Bob train and successfully lynched him.

So let me look at the players:
Meiz - defends himself as top vote (tied with me, so close) by starting a ultimately successful Bob train catching a wolf, there were good reasons for it but most of them had already been valid yesterday as well. Good for town but could have been a last second effort to loose this tail for the next day. I still stand similar with having him among my top suspects in fear of GrandMaMeiz. I try to post this as close to dead line as possible, but should I be killed tonight, the only reason I see is to set up Meiz for Day5.

Rowain, Gaspar - were both on my suspect list based on my assumption that the wolves did not misplay Day1 badly and thus were setting themselves up as towny by lynching Commodore. Assuming only two wolves remain, they both got town points for jumping on Meiz Bob case, however last second it was. I feel Rowain's play was more towny Day4 than Gaspar so my preference between these two would be Gaspar -> Rowain

Sunrise - was apparently away and then really in a pickle when returning and a wolf. Him trying to vote on Gaspar instead of Meiz, the next highest target, would either indicate that the wolves gave up on Bob. The other wolf could have been already on Bob or still on Meiz (so the wolves would have been less sure to be able to change the final tally). In total he is fully back in my suspect category, I can understand pushing for Gaspar and disliking the last minute Bob train though

GES - wow, WIFOM deluxe (if I use that term correctly here) 
- either he was lazy as hell
- was not caring about helping the village and hiding behind another townie
- is a wolf with the worst cover ever
- does anybody know if the wolf thread is up again (I remember it being down at some point, correct?)

Jabbz
I need to analyze him better

Pindicator
still town lean based on the same assumption of no-fuck-up wolves Day1

Alhambram
was defending Bob by pushing Meiz some more
no time no visit

[sunrise089]

I assumed Meiz’s role removal was kinda obviously the mailman thing. The timing makes sense and unlike a multi-shot or passive roll there isn’t any way for the player to confirm the message isn’t legit. Plus we just saw an attempt at something like this two games ago where a scum late claimed the ability to cancel a vote or something.

Anyways, I doubt I’ll die tonight since Meiz has directed his gaze on me.

I don’t know who the scum are. I definitely don’t have Meiz’s focus or confidence at this stage

FWIW my case on Jabbz goes past the PM role mechanics questions and extends to his weird Day 1, his bizarre Commodore role questioning right before D2 ended, and his general sloppiness which is proscribe to him not actually reading the game closely.

For Gaspar, see Lewwyn’s thing. I didn’t like his D1 Commodore notwithstanding, and I hated his total disappearance when getting Lewwyn heat and return to only post summaries.

For pindicator, it’s just that he keeps saying things that aren’t true. Everything I call him on he has an answer which is wrong or misstates what actually happened.

Also @Alhambram, you were diplomatic above but I apologize for being a crappy neighbor. I was spooked by the role and was afraid of dying with information unrevealed but I should have found the time to discuss my plan in advance.