WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!

[sunrise089]

So you stayed on your 2 vote pindi instead of moving to your Nr 1- wolf Gaspar because? For me this reads as "I wanted to make sure the Lewwyn lynch goes through" and nothing else.

On day 4 it is : I don't want to make a decision between Bob and Meiz so I create my own single Vote-candidate. Quite contrary to your day 2 reasoning

You can pack as much sarcasm in your posts as you like but this is scummy.
Where I not such a trusting man I would even think that you and Gaspar both are wolves playing a deep hiding game here.

Rowain, it's really pretty simple. I'm US east, I'm a night owl and can sleep in a bit most days, and so usually I'm not back online until closer to deadline. 

D2 I made the best vote I could before going to bed, and when I woke up it was still viable and so I stayed. No real dispute between us here I think.

D3 I made the best vote I could before going to bed, and when I woke up it was not really viable. But the two viable options were Lewwyn and Lewwyn's lynch candidate. I was mixed on Lewwyn, thought him too towny to vote but not so towny to let him hand-pick the alternative so I stayed. 

D4 I didn't have a viable lynch target in mind when I went to bed so I made a pressure vote (I did this D1 too). When I woke up the candidates were Meiz (town to me) and Bob (train that made me totally uncomfortable). Given no viable lynch in my mind I went back to my Gaspar read. BTW Rowain my D3 and D4 would look super similar if I had voted Gaspar before going to bed.

That's it. If you want to say I should have been consistent in my methodology then fair enough. I think there have been enough differences across days and candidates that it's hard for me to have a single voting strategy and stick with it. I'm just trying to do the best I can one day at a time.

[sunrise089]

Again day 3 (highlights in the following quotes by me)
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So sunrise didn't like pindi. and he absolutly didn't like pindis push on Bob. He hated it so much that when pindi asked him explicitely

Sunrise, come join on Gaspar.  If you see one person vote onto me then hop back on me and know I'll join you.

He ignored it. Mind you Gaspar was sunrise Nr1 wolf  and apparently still is.

Rowain, you're exaggerating this part. This exchange definitely makes me look worse, I'm not disputing that. But using words like I 'absolutely didn't like' and I 'hated it' isn't justified from what I said. I said the Bob thing as an aside at the end of my note and even caveated with the IMHO.

I also didn't ignore the call to move to Gaspar, I just didn't move. I wish I had moved. As I've said several times I had a small window to act and I was terrified to be charmed by scum Lewwyn into saving him.

[sunrise089]

At least the RP flavor makes sense to me, not being the obvious town doc but providing junkie pills to the bodyguard(?).

It does not to me. I think Gaspar did the best he could do while waiting for a safe time to claim. House is a doctor and a druggie himself. He's not a drug dealer and he doesn't really enable others does he - if anything he's more of a person who solves others' problems himself. And, Garpar didn't mention pills in the public thread

[sunrise089]

On sunrise's flurry of defense posts - I like the effort but tbh I can't get past the voting record spreadsheet, which was so scummy the whole thing should have been done on with flashing red lights on it.  There's a huge difference in a vote which hangs someone and a pile on vote at the end.  Or treating Thrawn like equivalent scum to the actual villains.  Or ignoring what the players have done and said around those votes.

Gaspar, this is right (aside from scum tell of course). I'm sorry if I suggested otherwise. I'm trying to defend the best I can, and while it could be seen as throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks, I don't know what is going to resonate with people and am again just trying to do the best I can.

There are absolutely differences between who drives a train versus who joins cheaply late. And of course players' words matter too. I was just trying to provide a shorthand means to show my voting was broadly in the upper half of players with respect for outcomes. 

I disagree with you re: Thrawn's value and think it's a wolf-perspective to say otherwise. Town's job is to find scum. With hindsight one scum might be more valuable than another due to powers but town has no way to know that. Catching Thrawn was exactly what town is supposed to do - use reads to identify a threat to the town and remove it. If Thrawn's ability had been that his vote didn't count and he self-destructed at the end of Day 1 it would still be a good scumhunting result for the town.

[sunrise089]

It seems clear that Bob was not online anymore (like in previosu EOD's as well), and I'm confident one wolf was already voting for me. And with votes being tied, sunrise's hesitance to seal the deal for Bob & save me seems scummy behavior to me.

Wait a sec Meiz, isn't your theory I was going to make you lose the tiebreak? If Bob wasn't online how does that work? It can't even get to 5v5. If I vote Bob that would be 5-4-1 Bob. What am I missing?????

[sunrise089]

* I doubt he indented it but by the rules this is a valid vote

Part 2: Scum-sunrise's Weird-Ass Day 4

Lol I meant to re-vote Gaspar at the end of my post, sorry.

[sunrise089]

Rowain and Gaspar - I know I've typed out a ton. Could you please look at 1,767 just above and tell me if I'm misunderstanding. Maybe I'm still scum and you uncovered stuff and you got me and whatever, but Meiz's belief that I'd make him lose via tiebreak while having cover by voting Bob requires the vote to be 5-5. If Meiz is now saying Bob was unlikely to have been online wolf sunrise would know definitively a 5-5 vote was impossible, right? Right?!

Fake edit: I just checked, Meiz says: "I was starting to get a bit paranoid on sunrise waiting someone to put me at 5 votes, before he will switch away from Kaiser to Bob." The only way Meiz gets to 5 here is if Bob drops to 3 votes. At 5-3 Meiz then it doesn't even matter what I do.

[Jabbz]

Just droppin in to say I'm trying to get through today. I'm just about at the limit of what my eyes can handle before I have to call it quits here. If I push too far, recovery is going to mean more than just a few days not staring at a pc screen

IIRC someone asked me if I used my power last night, but the answer was no. I wasn't planning on using it yesterday, but I saw Omar's post at the wire, so I went ahead looking to clear him/myself.

I'll do my best to have a vote out, but if I don't catch up I might just follow my most town leaning person, and vote along with them.

[Rowain]

@sunrise I think you defend well and I rather have you as town. You are correct with your

Fake edit: I just checked, Meiz says: "I was starting to get a bit paranoid on sunrise waiting someone to put me at 5 votes, before he will switch away from Kaiser to Bob." The only way Meiz gets to 5 here is if Bob drops to 3 votes. At 5-3 Meiz then it doesn't even matter what I do.

Assuming that Bob stays offline this is correct concerning the 5 then. But before pindi switched it was Meiz who would have lost the tiebreak since he had a higher count before Bob. So your action /inaction was dangerous for Meiz.

[sunrise089]

Thanks Rowain. And sure I was dangerous to Meiz more broadly - at that point Meiz hangs if I vote him or if I stay on Kaiser. I’m not saying clear me over this or even that’s it a town tell. Just that Meiz’s whole push on me started with him saying he suspected I was going to game the tie vote to see him lynched without voting for him myself, and he’s stuck to that today by emphasizing how my lean on him meant as a wolf I couldn’t vote him and had to find another angle via the tiebreak.