Look how stuck I'm on Pindicator, still after him even after he is dead 
They're all the same to me, just get them lynched!
They're all the same to me, just get them lynched!
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WW48: Melllvar's Grand Competition!
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(October 13th, 2020, 22:40)sunrise089 Wrote: By this I mean he doesn't seem willing to make much of a good-faith effort to answer rebuttals or consider alternative viewpoints, which lets him selectively pick his facts and interpretations of them. Q for other vets: is this typical of Meiz? What I remember from him you need to use a heavy duty jackhammer to make a small dent in his skull (October 14th, 2020, 02:54)Rowain Wrote:(October 13th, 2020, 22:40)sunrise089 Wrote: By this I mean he doesn't seem willing to make much of a good-faith effort to answer rebuttals or consider alternative viewpoints, which lets him selectively pick his facts and interpretations of them. Q for other vets: is this typical of Meiz? That sound about right.
If that's how you view the game, then my questions are.
My post https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid754888 - What do you think about the first part of Commodore starting to throw shade against Gaspar, when he has started to gather attention early in the game. Early bussing, or encouraging other to continue the pursuit? That's one of the reason's I think Gaspar is more likely town (in addition to his early commitment to lynch Commodore) - What was it in sunrise's D2 that seemed towny to you? What I see in general from sunrise is latching onto small fact based details (pindicator's inability to parse Commodore's dolphing speed with detailed timestamps on how his answers to novice do not fit and are scummy, my error vith the tie vote from yesterday etc.). For example the accusation on Pind, I felt was very nitpicky which is why I didn't comment on it much. But I do think these types of arguments are easily catchable for wolves. (October 14th, 2020, 05:37)Meiz Wrote: If that's how you view the game, then my questions are. If I reread day 1 again I'm sure I return to Gaspar is town. His push on C was the right time for town. But at the same time when I tied Commodore and Adrien 4:4 it was sunrise who pushed C up to lead 5:4 again post list and vote Afterwards WK moved to Adrien (5:4 Adrien) then novice and ADrien moved to C more or less sealing the deal (6:4 lead). Am I sure that sunrise is town no how should I. The same goes for you. You have been defending Gaspar since early on. Which makes me wonder if you are cuddling up with him to get the 2 missing mislynches. (he did it with you too as said so far you have voted for the same target every day with you leading in Gaspar following). Then again I don't know what to make with your play yesterday and so it goes on and on. I also see that both Jabbz and GES have taken the easy way out by voting for Kaiser. Why would wolf sunrise go after Gaspar?
I do give much more credibility for the will to kill D1 Commodore, than D2 Commodore. That is the reason I'm trusting Gaspar, and that is the reason I trusted novice as well. I know the fear is always there for the uber plays (you were ready to go after novice before he was nightkilled), but this time I think the explanation is more simple. I feel like going after the mastermind wolf - Gaspar is just town shooting itself in the foot.
Do you think the Alhambram-wolf pairing is credible by sunrise? https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid755907 If I look at Alhambram's play, for example the post https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid755603, I just see a town mindset in the play. Would you put Alhambram as scum and if not, why do you think sunrise has him as potential scum? I feel like Alhambram-scum comes too easily for him, but I think he has to take the stance as a wolf. When I look at sunrise's play, I haven't seen a real will to kill Jabbz, despite him saying how the PM mistake incriminates Jabbz. IMO The actions do not meet the words, so at this point I think they are probably together. Big part is that I think Bob's attack on Kaiser doesn't speak for Kaiser being in a same team as him. If sunrise is wolf, I think that read is cemented. Do you find sunrise's painting me in a bad light credible, due to my mistake with tied votes? I feel like he is pushing me+Gaspar due to fear of going down and not wanting to leave traces for his last scum partner. I think both me & Gaspar are confirmed town if sunrise is wolf. Of course I can only guess the rest, but I don't find the attack on Gaspar as town-credible, because I still don't feel like him having any doubts if D1 woudl actually fit with town-Gaspar. I also don't like the nitpickign attacks, for example on gaspar: "Said that Thrawn was trying too hard when he was actually being inactive and then tucking into his shell when he had become active. Has made justification attempts at both of those remarks but to me he just isn't actually reading the game, at least for big stretches.". IMO Gaspar explained it well. I didn't like another nitpick attack near last deadline on Pind either: https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid755330 https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid755349 So that's it Rowain, I'm as confident as can be on this read. (October 13th, 2020, 12:29)Alhambram Wrote: For people who thinks that Bob is bussed, explain why you think that it is the case here and what do wolves gain with bussing Bob. Get better soon Alhambram! Wolves gain credibility, but they would only have executed on it if they deemed it necessary at the time. I see 4 scenarios (even though sunrise dislikes me doing them): - Meiz is a wolf with Bob + wolf already on me - Kaiser is a wolf with wolf + wolf on Meiz (would be more urgent though, however Meiz switched first to Bob) - Kaiser and Meiz wolf + other wolf unknown - Kaiser and Meiz town, wolves already on Meiz (Meiz suddenly lost 1 vote (Rowain), Kaiser suddenly lost 2 votes (Meiz and Gaspar) Revealing bob did give the information that my claim might be true and that Meiz claim might be true but he still has the power. In that case we have to assume that he used at least one, probably 2 of his powers and had maximum the bus driver still left. (October 13th, 2020, 16:18)Jabbz Wrote: IIRC someone asked me if I used my power last night, but the answer was no. I wasn't planning on using it yesterday, but I saw Omar's post at the wire, so I went ahead looking to clear him/myself. We can coordinate to use you power tonight, I considered using it last night but had no time to think a target through. |
