[Game Thread] WW49: Wizards and Werewolves

[AdrienIer]

AdrienIer, since you have spent much time meditating surely you should know of someone you would grant an exceptional item drop to?

Interesting question. I think novice is the one who's been getting the most micro-town-points, so by default I'd rather have him get it. Rowain might also be town but I'm even less sure (which I usually am with Rowain, he's too abrasive for me to be comfortable with his play)

[Lewwyn]

By the way rowain here's more fuel for your fire
I am suspicious of thrawn who's posts don't inspire.

He appeared for a moment today,
then disappeared before he had anything to say.

Do you still think he is a bad vote?
Or have you seen that maybe he's on the float.

Thrawn, thrawn wherefore art thou?
Can you please give us new land to plow?

Rowain don't think you are off the hook,
we have almost 20 hours 
and you're still in my book
but you're not wrong that I waste powers
when I at others I don't take a look.

[AdrienIer]

I realize that my last sentence might not be clear enough : being uncertain about Rowain is something that happens all the time to me because he's often abrasive

[Lewwyn]

Pindicator my friend, you are currently voting with me,
What do you think of Rowain now, do you see what I see?

[Lewwyn]

Pindicator my friend, you are currently voting with me,
What do you think of Rowain now, do you see what I see?

Same question to Gazglum, as much time has passed
since either of you voted or spoke last.

[Rowain]

@Lewwyn you can spill verse after verse the fact remains you are not hunitng you are parking yuur vote on me. What wasa yur reason to vote me in the first place:

I’m dropping the chain to weigh in,
This battle looks difficult to pin
Rowain is saying to vote thrawn is weak,
A cowardly easy vote so to speak.

But why is this so, even novice appears to agree?
Though he acknowledges the vote could be correct.
Thrawn could be scum or town either he could be.
But more important Rowain is here to protect.

Rowain if you think the vote cowardly and easy,
Do you think thrawn innocent and patsy?

I must admit I find your reasoning
To need a bit more seasoning.

So first I did not protect thrawn first lie by you.
Second you insinuate that I believe thrawn to be innocent which is not true at all so lie 2
That is your reason to vote for me and post verse after verse. You are not scumhunting you are only looking to get your Rowain-lynch. You are no Player at all and you are not hunting at all No matter how many verses you spill out.

Your posts about thrawn last game contained at least some reasons to vote for him. That is the difference here. Anything you post here is for show like those speculations about the grognard.

[Rowain]

By the way rowain here's more fuel for your fire
I am suspicious of thrawn who's posts don't inspire.

Is your brain as bad as your verse? I voted Serdoa for his vote and reasoning not because I believe thrawn to be innocent. IO have no clue what thrawn is. I have nnot defende thrawn at the least.

Do you see me spill nonsense about you defending Serdoa with your vote? No.

[novice]

It’s still not an opportune time. "Admittedly the discussion didn't seem very productive", is me more or less disagreeing with both sides.

You are disagreeing with Lewwyn and me but my point was Serdoa is suspicious which you just said yourself  .
And me pointing out to Lewwyn that he is unproductive raises your eyebrown while you agree that it was not very productive  

Your point was that Serdoa was suspicious for voting Thrawn, wasn't it? That was certainly not my point. I think Serdoa is suspicious for hammering AdrienIer.
It's not you calling Lewwyn unproductive that raises my eyebrow, it's your vote on him.

You had a conversation with Lewwyn which was not overly productive in my mind, but it certainly didn't qualify as time-wasting either. You're complaining about four posts of his in short succession, but those are answers and followups to things you said. That's how conversations work, right?

Let me see if I can paraphrase the discussion:
Post 127: Lewwyn: Rowain, why is a vote on thrawn cowardly and lazy? Is thrawn a patsy that you are protecting?
Post 128: Rowain: I'm not here to protect anyone.
Post 130: Lewwyn: So you don't have a read on thrawn. Even patsies can be scum. You're gatekeeping Serdoa from hunting thrawn.
Post 131: Rowain: I'm not gatekeeping, but Serdoa's vote justification is too weak, I expect better from him.
Post 134: Lewwyn: It's early day one, what do you expect?
Post 136: Rowain: Thrawn is an easy voting place for scum. He is the "if you don't know what to do throw dirt on thrawn and vote him" for all bad guys. It is easy play and it is wrong play for town. Why need I explain that to you?
Post 138: Lewwyn: Last game thrawn was scum. Easy is not always wrong.

I feel like if anyone is responsible for the discussion dragging on, it's you and not Lewwyn. If you want Lewwyn to spend less time composing poetry to you, maybe try answering all his questions at once?

[Lewwyn]

@Lewwyn you can spill verse after verse the fact remains you are not hunitng you are parking yuur vote on me. What wasa yur reason to vote me in the first place:

I’m dropping the chain to weigh in,
This battle looks difficult to pin
Rowain is saying to vote thrawn is weak,
A cowardly easy vote so to speak.

But why is this so, even novice appears to agree?
Though he acknowledges the vote could be correct.
Thrawn could be scum or town either he could be.
But more important Rowain is here to protect.

Rowain if you think the vote cowardly and easy,
Do you think thrawn innocent and patsy?

I must admit I find your reasoning
To need a bit more seasoning.

So first I did not protect thrawn first lie by you.
Second you insinuate that I believe thrawn to be innocent which is not true at all  so lie 2
That is your reason to vote for me and post verse after verse. You are not scumhunting you are only looking to get your Rowain-lynch. You are no Player at all and you are not hunting at all No matter how many verses you spill out.

Your posts about thrawn last game contained at least some reasons to vote for him. That is the difference here. Anything you post here is for show like those speculations about the grognard.

See you grasp for the lowest of hanging fruit
1 post about grognad have I made you galute.

I did not lie about your actions
I only pointed out the ramifications.
From my perspective what I've said is true
and in my eyes its what you did do.

The second lie is not a lie.
Again it was a question
You said to vote for thrawn was scummy!
And so I asked your elaboration.

And hey while I'm here
I'll ask again, what you did not before answer,
has thrawn's latest post inspired you?
or will you again defer?
How do you read thrawn
is he scum or a pawn?

[Gazglum]

Ser Gaz goes to spend some time in prayer as the world seemed silent, and returns to find much talk afoot! Responses incoming.

Gaz, while I am willing to let some suspicious behavior slide from new players today, giving them a free pass for the day is a bit much. I'm probably not going to vote for a new player today but I will if the situation calls for it. Care to elaborate on why voting new players is a complete non-option for you?

Happy to oblige Milady Megumin. First reason is roleplay - Ser Gaz is a protector of the meek, guardian of the newbie and all-round sanctimonious do-gooder. 

Second, i think we have a pattern where new players are often voted off Day 1 because they struggle, and we're left without much information from it. ALso it makes the player less likely to sign up to play again. 

BUt most importantly I play this game to have fun and I want other people to have fun. I remember my first ever day of my first ever game was incredibly stressful, I want Tarkeel and Savant to know that they have a little bit of breathing room to find their feet. 

Having said that, the two have performed very differently. I like Tarkeel's game, he is being open with his thoughts, offering input. When he said Lewwyn might be using his rhymes to hide behind roleplay I agreed, though since then Lewwyn has upped his game. 

Dark Savant on the other hand is a big ?. Maybe he panicked, maybe he didn't realise the time commitment this could be. Savant, if you read this, come on back and I am happy to have very friendly chat about the state of the game. People won't vote you out on your first day if you show a bit of effort.