[Game Thread] WW49: Wizards and Werewolves

[novice]

No, I'm going to sleep and I'll miss the deadline, so I have to decide my final vote now.

Sadly there are many lynchable candidates. You'll just have to pick one and we can try to take your choice into account when consolidating. The advantage of voting Rowain is that the vote at least wouldn't be based on an absence that could end while you're sleeping. But if the people currently absent remain absent I doubt I will be pushing for a Rowain lynch today.

[AdrienIer]

Shit I just checked the timezones and deadline is at 4AM for you Gaz...

[Gazglum]

Yes it is Adrien. Yes it is. I don't mind though, because it helps insulate me from last-minute anxieties as the deadline trains take off. 

Alright Ser Thrawn as least helpful of the lurkers and to get some info on Rowain.

[WarriorKnight]

I have to miss deadlines too unfortunately, deadline is midnight my time.

All things considered I will keep my vote on thrawn for reasons mentioned previously. Hopefully everyone can consolidate their votes.

[Tarkeel]

Real-life is intervening, and I might not get the chance to post again until after deadline.

I still have an icky feeling about that warlock, but out of the three 'viable' lynching options thrawn is the only one I'm comfortable in backing. I believe our monk has been the victim of miscommunication, and I don't really have a feel either way regarding the barbarian brute.

[Serdoa]

As promised my thoughts on each player and what I gathered after most of the first day of playing. As I am writing here for 2 hours now (with meetings in between) I realize that it will be to late to go through all them and only then post it, so instead, here is the first part for everyone to think about.

Dark Savant alias Ranger

Made a vote on Rowain, moved it to Adrien and when questions by Lewwyn why explained because he didn't want to pile on one target. I do understand that play, I made similar as wolf and as villager. I don't think one can read much into it.

Since these three posts at the start he is silent. That is a red flag for me, but I can agree with others that it does feel more like a RL-issue. He posted pics, he did apparently think about whom to roleplay (and to play at least two different rangers?) - I have a hard time believing that he would simply go silent afterwards, no matter the role.

Conclusion: null-tell; potential lynch simply because he is not around and I'd rather lynch someone that is not playing than someone that is

Pindicator alias Cleric

3 posts in total, like DS. But pindi is around, the posts happened on different days, so it feels more like deliberately choosing not to engage more. Anyhow, of those 3 posts only the last does offer thoughts on the game. Looking at those

a) Lewwyn looks kinda townie for offering his power, but not for the intention but for his tone. If he was a munchkin pindi would expect him to be more cunning with it and less excited to give the power away.
-> I don't understand this. Is it townie for his tone or is it for his intention? The first sentence of pindis statement is clearly about the tone, but the next as clearly about the intention.

b) He follows that with stating that he often agrees with what Lewwyn writes, for example in case of DS.
-> I miss further examples where he agreed with Lewwyn. Together with his starting statement this feels more like buddying up to Lewwyn for the sake of it.

c) He questions DS about his vote change and exclaims that if DS really didn't want to pile on with the starting vote, he could have much earlier moved away from Rowain.
-> It's funny, that is one of those things you read and you nod, till you go back and check time-stamps and posts numbers and realize that we talk about DS making a vote at 18:00 and changing it at 18:53 after 12 more posts happened. One of those posts was another vote for Rowain, by novice admittely. But pindi made posts #60 and #82, clearly quite some time after DS had made his post #4 and #17, without mentioning DS. Only in #150 he starts questioning it. Talk about going for low-hanging fruits...

d) WK gets scum-points for suspecting thrawn even though he should know better as he played with him in 47 (and 48?).
-> I don't like that whole thrawn-argument going around about having to know something because of an earlier game-performance. Especially if then others state that in one of the games he was a baddie (or could have been one?) ... anyhow, it seems thrawn has a hard time finding his footing in these games no matter his alignment if I gathered it correctly.

e) He mentions finding Gazglum odd because Gaz urged novice to not hurry Lewwyn into giving him his power while pindi thinks that novice didn't do so but only accepted what was offered.
-> That is not entirely correct. First Lewwyn stated (kinda) that he can bestow a power upon someone. Re-reading it, he stated

"My songs reverberate with power,
though be not afraid I will inspire
among you one upon the midnight hour
to sing with me from wire-to-wire!

So audition friend, if you'd do better.
Your reward, your vote shall be greater!"

Lewwyn did that after novice scolded him for his bad rhymes. Funnily enough he did so one post after he told me that rhyming is only for him...

Later they discussed what Lewwyn meant, in #58 Lewwyn explained how it works and in #59 novice volunteered to take the power. Looking that through I find Gazglums comment not odd. I can see how Lewwyns first rhyme is seen as an offer, but that doesn't change the fact that novice jumps immediately at it after Lew explains in more detail what even is offered. novice also explains that he forgot to request clarification from Lew earlier, so that he just took Lewwyns offer up is only true if you ignore that there have been several hours between these exchanges.

f) Voting for Rowain because Rowain sounded to carefree before he attacked me and also that his defense of thrawn ignores differences between his performances in WW47 and 48.
-> The first part I don't understand at all. Rowain sounded to carefree - as in he had too much fun at the start of the game? The second part though makes even less sense. In the same post in which he attacks WK for suspecting thrawn (point d of this overview), he also suspects Rowain for defending him, but not doing it correctly?

In gist: The whole post leaves me baffled after I took the work to actually dive into every part separately. Especially the whole thrawn-part seems to go in all directions.

Tarkeel alias Druid

Mostly roleplay and meta-speculation. He did however offer up the players he would most likely vote for (DS, pindi, superdeath, thrawn). That are not the most inspiring votes but it is the agreement I think we all mostly came to, that those that played D1 are at least playing while those 4 are leaving us hanging.

He also offered his thoughts on my exchange with Adrien, without trying to stir in any direction.

I'm currently leaning towards null-tell, but just a positive atmosphere. That isn't saying anything about alignment, but there are imo clearly better choices to lynch.

Superdeath alias Warlock

Mostly roleplay. Noteable though that he voted for skating by, but explained later that he meant it from a roleplay-standpoint, not in relation to this game. Then voted thrawn, but explained he would move the vote if thrawn did contribute. Then asked DS and Adrien their thoughts. Some more roleplay.

I ... I'm lost. My only experience with SD is him not posting at all but killing everyone. Now he posts quite a bit more, but the content in those posts is low. I stated it before: I feel like he is deviating from his "normal" play and having more posts to look at now it also seems to me that it is mostly adding posts not substance. That has me put him in the suspicious camp.

AdrienIer alias Monk

We had a long exchange, but it was pointed out that we both seem to be villagers going at each other because at least we are active. I'm not fully convinced and I think Adrien isn't either but I'm content with currently having a neutral stance on him. I will not analyze all his posts again, I already did and re-hashing them isn't going to change my feeling or his answers.

Thrawn alias Sorcerer

No input, no thoughts, just bumbling around, complete silence, one post in roleplay... even if you have no clue how to play this, after having played games before he should at least know by now that giving your thoughts on others and engaging with the game is expected. He even got questioned by several players in a kind fashion, so he easily could have contributed if he wanted to. That actually is the only thing that gives me pause though, because at some point, he should get his bearings I'd assume. That it didn't happen at all makes me question if there is someone with a team in the background that I assume would at least tell him something like "quote post xyz and answer these questions". I don't believe in "wolf-coaching" as in 'his packmates would never let him post that' as that is bullshit that basically never happened, there is not enough time to post all your contributions first to the wolf thread and only afterwards to the game-thread. But a nudge? Yes, I'd expect that and thrawn to follow it. That it has not happened makes me uneasy.

Warrior Knight alias Wizard

Few posts, but with thoughts on players. I don't think he has shown a lean in any direction (meaning ignoring something someone does but pointing similar behaviour from someone else out). I don't feel bad about him, which is good because I actually think more in terms of who is suspicious and whos play do I not like and not about whom I think contributed well.


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I'm running out of time and have to head into meetings that go for the next two hours so I'll post this part here already. As for the others, only in short: I don't like novice play and feel he could very well be scum, I do like Gaz (but I like Gaz as a person so that doesn't say much) and am neutral on him. Rowain and Lewwyn I lean towards them being there typical selves, stubborn and aggravating - just like me, but with different flavor. So I lean town on them. I'll post more if I get time, else in the night.

[Serdoa]

Too many people not playing leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. I really hope everyone will step it up tomorrow, or the munchkins are going to kill us all.

I don't like that part for the record. That simply sounds disingenuous to me.

Also pindicator

[pindicator]

I see we haven't gone much from where we were when I checked in last. I skimmed a little during the day but honestly every time i thought i should jump in here it felt more like work than fun so I avoided it. Cooked, watched the Queen's Gambit on Netflix, even played other games instead.

I'll read from where I stopped off at 120 (I've poked in here and there so I saw some things at a skim) after getting my morning stuff out of the way ... so about an hour from now. I do remember Rowain retorting my vote saying he never defended thrawn. And I think that's exactly the point. He did not directly say thrawn is town, no. But he attacked thrawn's attackers for making bad attacks - or un-them votes - which is just exactly what I would do as scum because you get to have it both ways.

So yeah. I skipped a bit back and forth in the thread now, will read in an orderly fashion later. Finger of suspicion on Serdoa, but the Ranger is still missing, and my vote might as well stay there.

P.S: I see pindicator showed up with some hot takes, but his post was hard to skim...

I had a good laugh at this novice. Last game you and sunrise hammered away at me all game for saying pretty much this about Commodore's posts. If I hadn't liked what you posted today more I'd probably vote you for it.

Anyway, dog walking time. I'll try to get next post back in character at least.

Oh, and I see there's some "pind is lurking" out there. Yep, I am. I'm tired of being expected to spam every day with you lot. At the end of every game we all say it's hell and then we expect everyone to do it again. Putting my foot down this time. At least I hope I am. Every time I say that to myself I start spamming away to prove my towniness as soon as the votes come.

[Rowain]

I think you're being a bit harsh on Gazglum there, if someone seems to have the same opinion as you on a given topic you can easily understand how he, as town, could get to those opinions. So it's a very minor town tell, and on D1 that's often enough to get in the "I'd rather not vote for him" category.

Adrien This can be true but not for 1(!) post. Else it is the easiest thing to do make 1 post where you agree with Gaz = town-points. Which is exactly the problem I have with Gaz' handing out towntells.

ANd to follow that thought up Rowain, do you think Pindicator IS suspicious for his lurking?

He is. Because usually he posts far more. Bur as said I won't vote for him today.

The answer you're quoting is in your second reply to Lewwyn, not your first.


In general, in all games I play with you Rowain, I find your reticent style annoying at times. That is, when you refuse to just come out and say what your thinking, or when people have to tease answers out of you. But I think that's part of your style, and my point here is not to paint you as scum for having that style. I'm just saying it's unfair of you to blame Lewwyn when that style results in conversations dragging out.

Again I have said my reasons even before he started his BS. So if Lewwyn had honest interst he could have looked it up before! And my answer while only to his second post was still not enough to stop him from uttering the same BS the next following posts. So yes Lewwyn was wasting a lot of time to repeat the same BS over and over again despite me having answered the question you say I have not. While I can accept that Lewwyn is sometimes like Meiz I think you are trying to keep the hole thing on the fire so you are bad.

[Rowain]

I'll read from where I stopped off at 120 (I've poked in here and there so I saw some things at a skim) after getting my morning stuff out of the way ... so about an hour from now. I do remember Rowain retorting my vote saying he never defended thrawn. And I think that's exactly the point.  He did not directly say thrawn is town, no. But he attacked thrawn's attackers for making bad attacks - or un-them votes - which is just exactly what I would do as scum because you get to have it both ways.

Funny you say that because after WarriorKnight voted thrawn you said:

I have seen a little bit of this sorcerer in action before and my recollection is that trying too hard is exactly his motif. And that he is certainly easy to dislike for it, but that does not make him the munchkin he was last we saw him.

I am more convinced the WarriorKnight that is somehow neither warrior nor knight and yet showing off to all how he is so powerful must certainly be duplicitous.

So who is voting for thrawn voters and defending thrawn here? Once the lewwyn started his flurry you quickly switched to me. Nice work.