[Game Thread] WW49: Wizards and Werewolves

[Serdoa]

Serdoa, are you really going to make me agree with Rowain?  That last vote of yours was awful.

I mean it is yours to find my vote awful, but that attribution isn't really saying anything. Rowain at least called it un-Serdoa, and explained that he felt it was an easy vote to make and I think especially early in the day he expected me to go for bigger fish. What does awful mean here?

You could also ask why some players saw it as prudent to jump away from him, like Adrien who just stated that he isn't happy with that vote. I'm not even sure if he meant with his thrawn vote or with the new DS-vote he made at that time.  

Or you could question novice who wrote

To be honest I don't know if anyone deserves to be bum-rushed at this point to avoid lynching one of the absentees. I guess I prefer to lynch thrawn over DS, since thrawn showed up and posted, whereas DS completely disappeared, but either one is fine. (Voting DS currently just to promote him as an alternative.)

So, apparently he prefers thrawn over DS, but he votes DS to promote an alternative? That does not raise your eyebrows?

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That means there is no downside to giving it to a shady player, but a huge downside giving it to a player who might be nightkilled.

Many of you have spoken highly of Ser de Glum, for which I thank you (though you may think less of me after I murdered an innocent). But I worry that by Day 3 I may be more likely to be in the graveyard than speaking to it. Serdoa might survive, but I would probably feel safer giving the scroll to someone the munchkins are unlikely to want to kill. Perhaps even Rowain!

Ser-Doa, the scroll does not give the Players another vote, but we can pick a strong player who is also a confirmed innocent to help push cases. That is scum's worst nightmare. If your innocence was proved and you came back campaigning loudly against someone, I would find that very useful, and it would help rally other people's votes. I think a confirmed innocent's opinion is about as strong as an unknown alignment's vote.

Oh I don’t agree about the items power
It is not a game breaking ability.
You call a villager from the dead
But they have no new clarity.

As it seems you guys decided to give it to superdeath, I'll just point out three things that I would have at least expected one or the other player to realize and post

1) Whoever gets that item has to be someone we are not going to lynch tomorrow - and most likely not on D3 either because it has to be activated in the night. I personally would know a few people I'd rather trust with that than SD, simply because from his play I personally would see him as a lynch candidate (though I admit that I'm sure quite a few here, players and munchkins alike see me as a lynch-candidate as well).

2) A player returned does know what he knows. I'm really surprised no one mentions stuff like tracker, watcher etc. as someone to potentially return. That seems to be the strongest use of the item. Have you collectively forgot these exist? Or are we seeing mostly scum among the "talkers", who didn't want to discuss this? 

3) That novice "choose" SD makes me uneasy. It is a good call for scum because that makes sure that SD will stay alive (see point 1) till the late-game. Doesn't matter if he is village or scum in this case, if he plays as he does he will be hard to read due to low content. That's exactly what scum wants at the end. And if he is scum, his normal low post ratio will give good cover for any questions towards him still not being nightkilled.

[Serdoa]

No, obviously I won't vote Superdeath tomorrow. And then I think he should probably use it Day 3. There are plenty of other targets.

Ok, now I am curious again: Why are you certain you won't vote Superdeath tomorrow? And don't tell me "because he has the scroll" because giving it to him in the first place means before doing so you must have decided that he is a no-vote tomorrow.

And on that matter: He has to use it at night. So if someone should come back D3, he has to use it N2, after most likely 3 dead players. I assume we all agree that thrawn will not get stumped, so in all likelihood two players, one of which we just before decided to lynch.

[Gazglum]

I kind of agree Serdoa, hence me preferring Tarkeel and also seriously suggesting Rowain. I voted Superdeath as a compromise candidate. I think you are -probably- town, and frankly I think that if you have the scroll, you will be killed. I think if I have it, I will be killed. I saw the likelihood of keeping the scroll around as outweighing the potential problems in Superdeath being taken off the lynch menu.

There is still time to change votes if people are around. I think I would be most happy giving it to Tarkeel or Adrien.

[Gazglum]

Crosspost, yes I just mean I won't vote for anyone with the scroll. I also don't have any particular alignment leaning on Superdeath so I am okay with leaving him a while.

I think Current vote tally is:

6.1 votes Superdeath (Novice, Pindicator, WarriorKnight, Adrien, Gazglum, Superdeath, Lewwyn)
2 votes Serdoa (Serdoa, AdrienInr)

[Serdoa]

I'm fine with Tarkeel, that is someone I do not see myself voting tomorrow indeed, partly because I like what he writes, partly because I have no feel for him yet. 

Basically, I consider superdeath, DS, Adrien, WK, Lewwyn, novice and pindi as my most likely votes tomorrow and rather have none of them have the scroll. I especially don't want to give SD and DS more reason not to participate. I don't have the same reluctance about the others, I am pretty sure every one of them will be active, no matter if they have the scroll or not. I just suspect them being munchkins. 

(And yes, I realize that this leaves only Tarkeel, Rowain and Gazglum. I'm not a very trusting person...)

[Rowain]

Crosspost, yes I just mean I won't vote for anyone with the scroll. I also don't have any particular alignment leaning on Superdeath so I am okay with leaving him a while.

I think Current vote tally is:

6.1 votes Superdeath (Novice, Pindicator, WarriorKnight, Adrien, Gazglum, Superdeath, Lewwyn)
2 votes Serdoa (Serdoa, AdrienInr)

7.1 as you list 7 names

[Gazglum]

Okay, well Tarkeel. If other people come online and see this, maybe we can get a shift to him. If not, Superdeath still gets the scroll and I don't think that is the worst thing in the world.

[Tarkeel]

SO, I said I would slumber, but this was too interesting to pass up.

2) A player returned does know what he knows. I'm really surprised no one mentions stuff like tracker, watcher etc. as someone to potentially return. That seems to be the strongest use of the item. Have you collectively forgot these exist? Or are we seeing mostly scum among the "talkers", who didn't want to discuss this? 

Based on the roles I know of, they all seem to tie in with their class. The sorcerer could charm, the bard has implied something similar, and my own power is certainly druidic. As such I would expect the ranger (who is absent) to be a tracker, and possibly the wizard is a scryer (watcher). You good rogue could potentially be a hider, or for all I know, an assassin. (I could go on an speculate on most other classes, but they don't factor into my current line of reasoning)

I kind of agree Serdoa, hence me preferring Tarkeel and also seriously suggesting Rowain. I voted Superdeath as a compromise candidate. I think you are -probably- town, and frankly I think that if you have the scroll, you will be killed. I think if I have it, I will be killed. I saw the likelihood of keeping the scroll around as outweighing the potential problems in Superdeath being taken off the lynch menu.  

Based on my above reasoning, I think the rogue is the one that's most certain to not be night-killed, and he's not on my preferred lynch-list. As I said earlier, I am willing to take it, but I think there are better options.

[Tarkeel]

Crosspost, yes I just mean I won't vote for anyone with the scroll. I also don't have any particular alignment leaning on Superdeath so I am okay with leaving him a while.

I think Current vote tally is:

6.1 votes Superdeath (Novice, Pindicator, WarriorKnight, Adrien, Gazglum, Superdeath, Lewwyn)
2 votes Serdoa (Serdoa, AdrienInr)

7.1 as you list 7 names

You also missed my vote for Serdoa @339, which was in a darker green than the others.

[Gazglum]

Well if Serdoa has thought about it and says he still wants it, I am willing to vote for him then.

Lol, I don't know if Commodore expected this level of indecision. But it's actually quite like the loot arguments I've seen in real D&D.