[Game Thread] WW49: Wizards and Werewolves

[Rowain]

Rowain, you're correct- but all of those are less likely outcomes.  I'm sure future nights will help delve into it more.

Speaking of votes, assuming the unaccounted 0.1 is passive then it's down to 3 people.  But for our completionists in the group, I suppose it could be a day ability that is granted by PM and then :shrug:

From those 3 I can see it a power of Gazglum most likely because Paladins as leaders
WK as Wizard second.
Don't see it fitting for Rogue Serdoa.

Another possibility for 1 death is of course that either one tried to kill a Hider.
And since I'm in a speculative mood: Maybe Tarkeel got killed because munchkins expected Serdoa to hide behind him. (Look at the "I guess you can avoid death" talk).

That last seems oddly specific
Were you hoping for something terrific?
Or was tarkeel killed to save superdeath
From a druids breath?

You have seen my answer to pindi before that - speculating about SK or not?

[Rowain]

Oh and before novice again come in with "you didn't answer Lewwyn's question"

here for you my dear bard:

Just one death? I wonder if the people suspecting the grognard was a survivor are accurate.

Maybe or maybe not. He could be sleepy on N1 - A possibility I would expect you of all people to think about.

Alternately scum hit SK.
SK decide to not kill
Both hit the same target.

The above is the continuation.

[AdrienIer]

I can see how post 135 by superdeath corresponds to what others have described as "scum going for the easy mislynch on thrawn". It's also his first serious post, almost 24h in. And it's in the middle of some interesting back and forth between various players, so it's kind of odd that he'd try to redirect the discussion on thrawn.
The fact that he comes back at post 215 but posts nothing that contributes to the discussion is also a bad point.

Pressuring Serdoa for his vote leads nowhere until he can talk freely, so Superdeath

[pindicator]

He can be annoying with that, can't he Rowain? I had a bit of a novice-48 PTSD flashback there

[novice]

Thanks for your notes in post 389, Serdoa, that's a good effort.

I take it from your votes that you think Superdeath and I can be a team, because I wanted to give the item to Superdeath, thereby protecting him from the lynch, and because I questioned Tarkeel's case on Superdeath at the end of Day one.

So let me address that. First, just to explain this:

Also talks with SD but I hesitate to call it questioning. More trying to get him to actually talk a little bit more. But he then does vote SD, so apparently it was more than that. SD explains, and 5 minutes later everything is done and novices vote is on DS.

Yeah I was trying to draw him out of his shell. But then he accused Pindicator and Tarkeel (I think?) of skating by, but noone else, which seem wildly arbitrary, and good enough for an overnight vote. And then he explained that that was only roleplay, that their D&D classes were classes that were skating by from a Warlock's perspective. So I voted Dark Savant instead.

The last thing of note I believe is that novice actively questions Tarkeel for his case on SD. But apparently not to follow but to disagree. I wouldn't mind that in general, but that was 15-20 minutes before deadline. It seems a little late for that and I question what as the actual reasoning to do it. Make sure SD doesn't get lynched? Together with the nightly push to give SD the scroll this is rather odd imo.

The motivation clearly wasn't to save Superdeath, as he had only one vote, by Tarkeel, and the others had like 4 each, with minutes left on the clock. The point was to encourage Tarkeel to move his vote to one of the frontrunners. And I wanted him to do that by his own choice, to potentially get a better read on him.

As for voting to give Superdeath the item - it seemed thematic, and people like Gaz declared the item a curse and didn't want it, for fear of being nightkilled. I don't think the item is that important, so we can always just lynch Superdeath anyway if we run out of better ideas. Also, frankly, between Superdeath and you, if one of you is to have a saving roll against being lynched, I'd rather it was Superdeath than you.

I think the play is lacking, mostly in scum-hunting. It is not BAD play, it is simply ... being there, without trying to have a loud impact. More quietly stirring the votes in the right direction. Just prodding here, prodding there. But maybe that's me being more confrontational and not "getting" it. Anyhow, I don't trust you novice, I would like to see more actual thoughts posted on players and not just announcements of things to come.

I think that's pretty fair (although you do set a high bar for me). I contributed what I could but frankly I wasn't able to build anything stronger with what we had.

[Lewwyn]

Rowain, you're correct- but all of those are less likely outcomes.  I'm sure future nights will help delve into it more.

Speaking of votes, assuming the unaccounted 0.1 is passive then it's down to 3 people.  But for our completionists in the group, I suppose it could be a day ability that is granted by PM and then :shrug:

From those 3 I can see it a power of Gazglum most likely because Paladins as leaders
WK as Wizard second.
Don't see it fitting for Rogue Serdoa.

Another possibility for 1 death is of course that either one tried to kill a Hider.
And since I'm in a speculative mood: Maybe Tarkeel got killed because munchkins expected Serdoa to hide behind him. (Look at the "I guess you can avoid death" talk).

That last seems oddly specific
Were you hoping for something terrific?
Or was tarkeel killed to save superdeath
From a druids breath?

You have seen my answer to pindi before that - speculating about SK or not?

I do not understand your obfuscation
since I was concerned about your speculation.
I very clearly pointed out that the last was weird
the one in bold it now appears.

Of course I read all the rest,
but the last was more of a guest
Everything before concerned the SK
and the last was speculating on Tarkeel's decay
but in terms of munchkin will
not why there was a single kill.

I think the specificity of your presumption
Speaks or your possible assumption.

[AdrienIer]

I agree with Novice's post here, it reads as an honest answer. Wolves can give honest answers, but it piles up on my read of him.

[novice]

If I feel too friendly, chances are I am a wolf

Well, your deadline post did seem friendly, with a polite tone and some humility sprinkled in here and there. But I won't shoot myself in the foot and hold that against you.
(By the way I remember last game I said Gaspar (who was scum) was pushing all my buttons and that I wouldn't hold that against him.)

Anyway let's just all be friends and happily lynch each other.

I wanted to talk more about your last minute thrawn vote, but it's going to be tough if you can only post votes...

You can post your part now I suppose?

[novice]

Rowain will say I'm scum for coming back at him
Says I'm wasting time and my arguments are thin
but what am I to do when I think I've got him caught?
his manner and his attack on me makes me think he was distraught.
I only pushed a little bit to poke under the skin
and yet he turn on me and went fully in.
Only when he took my words and twisted my intent
did I really think my time well spent!

I'm not sure what I can do to prove my suspicions
but I find a great many people are not willing to weigh in
Tarkeel avoids the issue, Adrien can't tell,
Superdeath isn't clear, and novice you as well?
You seem to be holding back, not willing to invest fully
you've argued with him, but never voted with yours truly.

I guess I wasn't ready to fully commit. It would too quickly become the Novice vs. Rowain show, and it's just so hard to tell with Rowain. I swear his town game is tailored towards making it easier for him to play scum. Serdoa said it well:

I had you leaning towards town while the day played out but I honestly can't keep that re-reading it. But your performance D1 is also not completely untypical you either. It is just the part of your play that I hate because I know you can do better and actually hunt, so I have to question if you didn't by chance or by choice.

[Rowain]

So from the 5 speculations I did you pick one out to do what?
Or are you saying the thought did not cross your mind after all the "I guess the rogue can avoid death- talk last night?
There was alot of talk whom to hand the role and what a big target that might paint on someone?

But whatever floats your boat.