(October 28th, 2020, 09:40)novice Wrote: Could Lewwyn play my lover sweet? Sure, he could.
Soooo....is he? That's your homework assignment.
I know I said I wanted to win, but I'm already working from home, I don't need homework. I haven't reread the thread except to look up specific things, and I don't think I will. So I don't have anything new to add on Lewwyn's day one. I will say I think he overreacted a bit on Pindicator's dog-walking case on him. He said it was too bad to not earn a vote, I think maybe it was too bad to be fake. When the Pindicator train took off I was maybe expecting Lewwyn to rein it in and steer the discussion back to the top posters, but that's not what happened.
No comment on this, Gaz?
I thought you were keenly interested in Lewwyn-me interactions.
(October 29th, 2020, 02:28)novice Wrote: No comment on this, Gaz?
I thought you were keenly interested in Lewwyn-me interactions.
Sorry Novice, a day of rhymes and I am weary.
But I take your side, here applied.
Lewwyn's rush at Pindicator's canine theory.
Strikes me as a bard looking too hard,
For scum where he knows there's none.
But from my stance, your casual glance
Seemed a little non-committal.
I am not clear from where wolves you fear.
Now that it is later, do you still suspect Pindicator?
On one point i brood vis-a-vis Lewwyn's mood,
To our cleric he was briefly rude.
A sarcastic Eeyroe jape.
I would think that play more like frustation,
Than a scummish scheme to break Pin's concentration.
(October 29th, 2020, 03:01)Gazglum Wrote: But from my stance, your casual glance
Seemed a little non-committal.
I am not clear from where wolves you fear.
Now that it is later, do you still suspect Pindicator?
Oh, I fear wolves from everywhere, but I don't feel like I have any solid cases. I guess I think the case on Pindicator is better than most, but I don't really suspect him anyway, emotionally.
My subconscious doesn't seem to have reassessed much while I was sleeping, unfortunately.
I took a look at WarriorKnight's three posts from day 2:
(October 27th, 2020, 20:31)WarriorKnight Wrote: Morning everyone. It's a beautiful day for some Explosion magic!
Firstly GG Tarkeel. I hope to see you again in another game, or maybe a bit later on in this one.
I'm real curious who would put a post restriction on Serdoa especially after he made a case to persuade several people, including myself, to give the scroll to him over superdeath.
novice, the more I look back over Day 1 the more I find myself agreeing with Serdoa and Rowain. While your early Day 1 pushes are good, it is nothing conclusive and the rest of your game leaves me with questions. While I do like your response in post 431 to Serdoa's overview, you are not bringing anything new to the table, just defending yourself against his accusations. What are your thoughts on everyone in the game?
(October 28th, 2020, 16:52)WarriorKnight Wrote: Well this has simply blown up, give me a bit to catch up with everything.
(October 28th, 2020, 18:13)WarriorKnight Wrote: Some reads while the thread blew up while I was away, the rest will have to wait until tonight:
superdeath: I have no flipping idea what that logic is of yours superdeath. Is this superdeath being superdeath or scum superdeath doing a terrible job of playing scum? I'm so lost I don't even know where to begin... The fact that Tarkeel was killed overnight while spending the whole day on you makes me very suspicious as well. What do you have to say to that superdeath?
pindicator: Your case on Lewwyn is shocking, not going to lie. Just giving up as well is incredibly scummy. Did you not learn from last game that this is not good for town?
Gaz: I really don't like that post implying the day would be between novice v Rowain. The post itself is fine to start the day with but it was made 6 hours after SD made his ridiculous claims, I can believe 1-2 hours if you are multitasking but not 6. You then came out saying the SD's posts were terrible only after Adrien & Serdoa hammered on him. Gaz, are you going to claim you missed superdeath's earlier posts after they had been up for several hours?
I don't see myself voting for anyone else at the moment. Gazglum for now until he responds.
See Gaz, I was certain I'd not vote you today but I really don't like your last posts. In general, I agree with Lewwyn that your "I can't speak as I want" and "I won't drop the rhymes" (especially for no reason but a self-imposed 'honor'-code) was odd. I did stumble over that line as well. I think you did not take expect that novice would chime in but that we all would just go with it.
On that note, novice: Is is obvious from the initial information given by Comm that you just lose the .1 vote, did you just come to the conclusion by logic (doing x leads to losing y) or did you request clarification by Comm?
(October 28th, 2020, 23:02)Gazglum Wrote:
(October 28th, 2020, 22:15)Lewwyn Wrote: Look I don't like this post. I haven't liked a lot of Gazglum's posts today. I diidn't really like Gazglum ending the day on thrawn either. I mean he's saying here in this last sttanza that he's not afraid to kill a vet. But Day 1 he sure seemed to be happy sliding back into thrawn. And look I don't think voting thrawn is a scum tell, but I think that coupled with his posts today and again this post in particular it feels scummy to me.
Shocking as it seems, Ser Glum must sometimes sleep.
For hours before I laid my vote, Ser Thrawn made not a peep.
Surely, Ser, you remember?
You also mused we Thrawn dismember.
You ignore the point Lewwyn made Gaz. It is not about voting thrawn on D1, he unfortunately gave enough reasons himself, but that it seems you changed your stance by 180 degrees from D1 - lynch thrawn (lurker), get info on Rowain (playing) - to D2 - lynch novice (playing), get info on SD (lurker). You clearly state on D1 that you vote thrawn over Rowain because you feel it unfair towards Rowain to lynch him over one of the lurkers. And this, coupled with you not making a case on novice, which would explain the changed stance, is what gives Lewwyn pause.
Gazglum Wrote:My dearest Ser, I pity you. Hypocrisy, thy name is Lew.
And what of Ser-Doa, who pushed the vote when Thrawn returned?
Whyfore is he, of your suspicion now so spurned?
And this part is which makes me want to vote you.
1) You scold Lewwyn for being hypocritical as he himself thought about voting thrawn, even though he clearly stated that his scum-tell on you is not for the singular vote* but in context with your play today.
2) You specifically ask why he does not suspect me. But if you think I should be suspected, why don't you do it yourself? You pretty much stated that I'm fine for now, why is Lewwyn now in the wrong?
Especially the second point is something I believe is very typical of scum. I was upset myself in 46 why villagers looked at me and for seemingly the same thing did not look at other villagers. As wolf you don't always realize where the differences lie, because you are not following the arguments fully, as you already know the alignment of everyone. Especially longer posts get skimmed, while as villager you read them more thoroughly, hoping for "golden nuggets of wisdom".
* note how this is dissimilar to Adrien who questioned me just for the vote, ignoring everything else and any context given
(October 28th, 2020, 23:03)pindicator Wrote: Thank you for breaking character, Lewwyn. It's given me a lot to think on
Pindi, I really don't know why you are so pissed at the whole game and every player. If it is a ruse as wolf, well, yeah, that is part of the game. If not, I'm sorry that you feel that way. I'm not going to go easy on you though, because I still don't know your alignment. If we lynch you and you are town, I probably will hate myself having done that to you,
but quite honestly: I'm getting tired of your "oh you are all assholes"-attitude. Either defend or bring someone else to the table. But right now, I see no reason not to lynch you because you are either a wolf or you are a villager that is not only not scum-hunting, but actively hurting village by misleading us AND being negative. And as far as I remember nearly all these cases have been wolves at the end, appealing to emotions when nothing else was left.
And after the crosspost with Serdoa 1 question to novice
Before Gazglum made his final vote you said
(October 26th, 2020, 06:47)novice Wrote: Sadly there are many lynchable candidates. You'll just have to pick one and we can try to take your choice into account when consolidating. The advantage of voting Rowain is that the vote at least wouldn't be based on an absence that could end while you're sleeping. But if the people currently absent remain absent I doubt I will be pushing for a Rowain lynch today.
I was going to come back to this thread with a "silent scum" theory, or its variant "silent scum + 1 engaged vet", but I'm not sure it's relevant now. Gazglum I strongly disagree with your "let's lynch a vet anyway, we can always bring him back later" idea. Killing a vet means that wolves have one less vet to worry about and nightkill. Bringing back the vet for a day won't bring back his vote and won't bring him back for the days after (including lylo). Overall It's giving me pause.
