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[Game Thread] WW49: Wizards and Werewolves

As for today

General: As is normal there is no one that jumps out as "I'm the wolf, lynch me". Nonetheless there have been several players that at least posted or made statements in a way that felt illogical to me. Not having anything better to go on, that's where I'll concentrate for now.

Lewwyn: I do agree with him on Gaz, I do think he was understandable and I don't feel particularly bad about him. He did indeed look at others D1 besides Rowain, he did not go with an easy target today (imo) either and I can't remember that I've seen anything that really made me scratch my head.

novice: Has been quieter or less "scum-hunty" as I expected, but I don't know if I simply misremember. I mentioned several times he feels frustrated to me, but he never made any statement in that direction. That actually makes me feel better on him, because I would expect a wolf to happily take those and agree with them. He might have overlooked them, but currently I don't think so. I do like his questioning, I don't like him not really putting a case forward, but again, that might be me expecting a playstyle that is not how novice plays.

Great, that was it already with people I read more positive right now.

Rowain: I'm having a rather neutral stance about him. There is simply nothing that I would point to and say "Yes, exactly" or "Oh, good point". Not that it is bad either, he asked questions, he made points. It's just that I don't feel particularly enlightened. I'm not sure if I'm unfair expecting that or if it is a sign that Rowain tries to appear active without really helping. But then, my last game with him I was wolf and was begging him to play for village and he refrained from doing so, so .. yeah.

WarriorKnight: He stays out of everything and the points he makes are partly what everyone already stated. But then he makes a point (his statement towards Gaz) that is a new take on it. I'm weary though, because Gaz had at that point no heat, so it would be a save thing for a wolf to do, even if Gaz was his wolf-brother. Even better, whoever lives longer could later point back to this and state "would I do that as wolf?". And even if Gaz is not a wolf, it would of course help him stay out of the fights.

So in gist: I don't disagree with the reads, as it is more a weighing in on points already made, but I ask myself if he does not stay a little bit too much out of touch, while seemingly able to in general follow the thread / able to think things through logically. Basically - add more WK, if you are town we need you.

Superdeath: I expected him further down, but actually I'm still only suspecting him because he is posting more than I'm used from him. The kill on Tarkeel could be evidence against him and his post was just not making sense, and even his second explanation isn't helping me understand why he wrote what he did - but at this point I accept that he himself might not really know it, so that's fair - but I have no baseline for him.

Short: SD, please give your reads on everyone, I really would like to have a chance to actually build an opinion on you besides your RP-posts.

pindicator: I said my piece, no point re-iterating. I'm sorry if you are town pindi, but if you are, I again beg you to please help instead of hurt. I get pissed about this game as well sometimes, especially if I think myself unfairly suspected, but storming off isn't helping.

Adrien: I still don't like most of his posts. I think his questioning of my thrawn vote was mostly him stating that the vote is bad without actually questioning me. I disagree with most else what he writes. I think his reasoning is often missing logical thought or in my opinion obvious links. Just looking at one singular point without seeing the big picture. That can be his play-style, that can as easily be a wolf trying to appear active.

Also, I feel similar to how Rowain feels towards novice questioning him D1: I already gave the answers, they are not taken into account when putting forward new questions, which seems more targeted towards aggravating the other and less towards actually getting a better understanding of his doing.

Gazglum: His latest posts I have discussed shortly before this post here. But besides those I also did not like how he made a big deal out of novice and Lewwyn voting for him to get the scroll. He asked for something like that, people try to give it to him, all of a sudden that is the worst they could ever do? What I think could have happened here is that Gaz is a wolf and was thinking that villagers would expect him to act like that if he was a villager himself. It's just an over the top* reaction that also feels played up to be able to sow some suspicion, but I personally think it is baseless.

Till his spat with Lewwyn I was not putting too much thought towards that. While the above described and other small stuff seemed odd, he also was rhyming and I simply decided that his posts lacked clarity / more detailed explanations due to that.

And that's it why my reads, from towniest to most suspected as of now. I have not decided whom to put my vote towards, but currently the last 3 would be my preferred lynch with superdeath being an option as well if we can't agree on one of the other three.

Dark Savant: Absent, no read possible, no discussion necessary imo.

*My movie-tastes as kid were really bad. Had to think back to that movie when writing that.
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(October 29th, 2020, 03:25)Serdoa Wrote: On that note, novice: Is is obvious from the initial information given by Comm that you just lose the .1 vote, did you just come to the conclusion by logic (doing x leads to losing y) or did you request clarification by Comm?

It was clearly stated without any need for clarification. But I don't know for sure that Gazglum was granted the exact same ability as I was, neither Gazglum nor Lewwyn has confirmed.
I have to run.
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@Rowain:

(October 28th, 2020, 16:55)novice Wrote:
(October 28th, 2020, 16:52)Gazglum Wrote: On Dark Savant, I simply cannot speculate 
I would see him slain by God, till then content to wait.

Rowain, I will try to come back more later in the day,
But genuine I find my curse makes it hard for me to play.

I will say this - Lewwyn says The Glum doth show much patience?
I put to him, right back at ya, where are his hammer cases?
I am imprisoned by my honeyed tongue.
He is not, he plays for fun.

Well technically you can break the restriction, I suspect, and not lose anything more than your tiebreaker ability. I know I could. Or do you have a different benefit from your curse?
I have to run.
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Ah so Serdoa just mixed you with Comm ok thanks.
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(October 29th, 2020, 03:39)Rowain Wrote: And after the crosspost with Serdoa 1 question to novice

Before Gazglum made his final vote you said
(October 26th, 2020, 06:47)novice Wrote: Sadly there are many lynchable candidates. You'll just have to pick one and we can try to take your choice into account when consolidating. The advantage of voting Rowain is that the vote at least wouldn't be based on an absence that could end while you're sleeping. But if the people currently absent remain absent I doubt I will be pushing for a Rowain lynch today.

Why would you not push a Rowain lynch then?

I was considering pushing for you ultimately decided not to, as has been discussed earlier. But I would have been happy with Gazglum leaving his vote on you, that would have given the rest of us, who were awake at lynchtime, an easier way of getting you lynched if we decided we wanted to. OTOH leaving the vote on thrawn doesn't accomplish much from a strategical perspective because if thrawn remains absent, we'll easily lynch him anyway, and if he does reappear, chances are that his thrawn vote will no longer be cast for the right reasons.

So basically I would have been happy with Gazglum putting down a difficult vote and leaving the lurker lynching to us who were awake at deadline.

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On preview I realize, maybe you're asking why didn't I push for you at deadline since thrawn had reappeared? Well, Dark Savant was still missing.
I have to run.
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Friends, we are nine, no more.
As Dark Savant seems out the door.
For each player strutting in our stage-clothes,
Full 50% of our ‘friends’ are foes.
We must have a care.
(Yet Novice sees scum nowhere!)

Think, I pray, upon Day 3
If we miss here, LyLo will be.
Mislynch, Death and Modkill,
Could even see Players down to 3.
The game might hang in balance NOW!
Assume the best, that we make it there.
What scenario shall we share?

So many accusations have been made,
If Nov, Lew, Rowain (or Glum!) were to succumb
Think of the information then outlaid!
The MORESO when a proven town, (Tarkeel?)
Can join us for this final meal.
From that point on, scum may unravel.
They know this, hence now bang their gavel.

Serdoa, Novice, Lewwyn, Rowain
Well they know the maths of this game.
They know the risks we take if wrong.
Why then won’t they sing this song?

My sers, we are KNEE DEEP in scum,
Yet these brave men have kept feelings schtum.
No, I do not think ALL bad, I am not mad.
Novice the worst, he sees no one.
Lewwyn at least makes gestures at Glum.

If these false friends cannot end my breath,
I suspect we may yet see them turn to Superdeath.
And I mean honestly,
Superdeath plays horribly
He’s barely come, but is he scum?
I know not, and nor do you. Could well be.
But kill him now, and are we free?
Where are we then, Day 3?

Still no knowledge on those who PLAY THE GAME.
Fewer choices to resurrect again.
As I guess but few,
Would choose Thrawn or Superdeath for Round 2.

Adrien, I do not want random vengeance on a vet,
If I seek to murder, it is for this bet.
That tomorrow will be our last chance.
We need confirmed voice to lead the dance.
Kill me tonight, I will be happy to give it a go,
Though be aware, it will come with a Told-You-So.

You wish to protect Nov, Lew or Rowain, has their play been superior?
We are all, Glum too, playing a little inferior.

Serdoa now comes out hard for Novice and Lew,
So I shrug and guess he may be in league with those two?
Having said that first, Novice has played worst,
Look at his ef-fort.
And think on my re-port.

Also Serdoa, I never asked for the scroll.
I only guessed there may be such a role.
It seems the Glum was right in his guess.
Perhaps the Paladin’s views are, indeed, blessed.
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(October 29th, 2020, 04:43)Rowain Wrote: Ah so Serdoa just mixed you with Comm ok thanks.

Well, I don't think he did. It's just that I had the same ability (presumably) on N1 as Gazglum has now, so I know what info Commodore gave to me regarding the ability. And that's what Serdoa was questioning me about.
I have to run.
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(October 29th, 2020, 04:37)novice Wrote: It was clearly stated without any need for clarification. But I don't know for sure that Gazglum was granted the exact same ability as I was, neither Gazglum nor Lewwyn has confirmed.

How can you or I know for sure?
But for all the lies I see in store,
The singing, thrice-confirmed, sure true.
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IMO the only interesting info we have so far is that Tarkeel was chosen by the wolf team. It could be a 4D chess move by them to have the vets tear each other down while they watch, popcorn in hand, but more likely it's because he was a problem for one of them. Superdeath was his main target, Warriorknight and Pindi among his suspicions. So I'm staying on superdeath for now, who not only did weird plays so far but would have wanted Tarkeel dead the most.
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(October 29th, 2020, 04:47)Gazglum Wrote: Adrien, I do not want random vengeance on a vet,
If I seek to murder, it is for this bet.
That tomorrow will be our last chance.
We need confirmed voice to lead the dance.
Kill me tonight, I will be happy to give it a go,
Though be aware, it will come with a Told-You-So.

Makes sense.
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