[Game Thread] WW49: Wizards and Werewolves

[Rowain]

@Commodore thanks

@warlock enlighten me with your logic.
Rage a skill used in many worlds but not seen it silencing someone yet.

[AdrienIer]

I can now speak again. 12h restriction it is.
Guys aren't we supposed to be voting for the most likely scum ? There's obviously at least one between Superdeath Lewwyn and Serdoa. I'm not convinced on the case about Serdoa, Superdeath is an obvious choice, he isn't even trying to explain his actions or his absence at the most opportune times.
Also we know Gazglum died defending someone, I think it was Pindicator because in his last message he posted

If I die, I wonder how long before you or Lew try to pin everything on Superdeath.

Yes the use of the word pin might be chance, but it makes sense for it not to be.

[AdrienIer]

Oh and because of the speech restriction I couldn't post this earlier : GG Gazglum, your sacrifice will not be forgotten.

[Tarkeel]

Apologies for the lateness, I had to take the oldest mini-munchkin for testing. I'm still catching up on posts during the night.

Ser de Glum sends his greetings from beyond the veil:

Scorpion and Frog

Frog protect Scorpion. Why?

He trusts his nature 

[Tarkeel]

My reads on the remaining players:

Serdoa seems to me a player, and I could have easily damned him just by not showing up here.
AdrienIer also has the taint of a player.

Together they might make a genius munchkin-pair, but I doubt it.

Pindicator was suspect due to low participation on the first day, but has since returned to his normal self. Mostly neutral with a slight player-lean.
Rowain is the one I've got least opinion on, but Gazglum claims to have saved him. Either player or munchkin with Gazglum, which appears to be low odds.

I'm inclined to brand these as players or atleast player-friendly.

Lewwyn has a lot of volume, but seems to avoid saying much of substance. Still has a munchkin-vibe from me, but that's just a feeling.
Superdeath drew my suspicion early on for attempting to provide content without any actual reasoning. Hasn't really bothered to defend, always defering to later.
Novice was on my early list of munchkins, mainly due to how he's been stoking the fires of conflict everywhere it was possible. Skull-bash seems a likely silence-ability, and was quick to defend Superdeath earlier on.

Any of these would be an information-rich lynch in my eyes.

Regarding the grognard, it still might be a serial killer: If Superdeath was the munchkin carrying out their night kill it would explain why there was only one death. Everybody then assumed that there was no SK due to only one death, which means that they could hide their nature by refraining from killing the second night. However I fear that the Grognard is something entirely different that we haven't been able to guess.

[novice]

So, I guess with you novice I now have to figure out myself what you actually accuse me of? You know, from Gazglum I accepted that, he was narrow-minded set on me and his case made that clear. I think he tried very hard to fit facts to his case instead of his case to the facts, but I've been there, done that, so I really can't blame him. But you? You have not made the case, you should have a much more neutral look on it, realize its weaknesses and especially notice how if you take away those weaknesses there is not much left - essentially a Gazglum who perceives threats to himself as signs of wolfness (see: N1, novice and Lewwyn are bad for trying to give me the scroll). I would at least expect you to go back yourself and check how my vote came about, and not just to quote a part of Gaz post without fact-checking it. Not because I am so important, but because you should be interested in catching another scum and making sure as best you can that it is not a mislynch.

I indeed haven't fact checked, I'm going to rely on you doing that. More time efficient. I expect the facts, as such, to be correct anyway since they're coming from Gaz. But obviously they'll be subject to interpretation. So thank you for your walkthrough of your process yesterday.

As novice mentions this point specifically I'll just answer to that. I'm happy to answer to all other points in Gaz post as well, it just means I spend time defending which is taken from time searching for scum. And that isn't very productive if the defense is against points that should be obviously wrong for anyone, but as I can't just write "Obviously wrong" but have to provide source and quote, it costs time.

I think investing some time in pure defense is a protown thing for you to do at this point. You can't simply turn things around and blame your accusers for being lazy. So please do answer any points in Gaz case that you haven't addressed yet. Only addressing the points you can refute is scum defense 101, after all.

Again, I am suspicious of novice because I would expect him to look at these things and not just lazily re-iterate Gaz point without looking himself. So either he did and ignored what he found or he simply didn't even look in the first place.

I didn't even look in the first place, which is why I'm voting you straight off the bat to hear your version of things.

I'm not the post restrictor, by the way.

[novice]

Apologies for the lateness, I had to take the oldest mini-munchkin for testing. I'm still catching up on posts during the night.

Ser de Glum sends his greetings from beyond the veil:

Scorpion and Frog

Frog protect Scorpion. Why?

He trusts his nature 

A fun puzzle, which I unfortunately don't have time for right now. There was a previous haiku with the Scorpion stinging the Frog. I assume the Frog is Gazglum, but who is the Scorpion?

Gaz, are you testing us? You can just come out and say it, hopefully.

[AdrienIer]

Apologies for the lateness, I had to take the oldest mini-munchkin for testing. I'm still catching up on posts during the night.

Ser de Glum sends his greetings from beyond the veil:

Scorpion and Frog

Frog protect Scorpion. Why?

He trusts his nature 

A fun puzzle, which I unfortunately don't have time for right now. There was a previous haiku with the Scorpion stinging the Frog. I assume the Frog is Gazglum, but who is the Scorpion?

Gaz, are you testing us? You can just come out and say it, hopefully.

Tarkeel just said that the Scorpion was Rowain

[novice]

Ah, that's very good, he was the WK voter I suspected the most.

The worry, Tarkeel, is not that Rowain is scum buddy with Gaz, but that scum could have targeted Gaz directly instead of his protection target, to throw us off the scent.

Anyway I think this points pretty clearly to a scum team with two out of Lewwyn, Serdoa and Superdeath.

[Tarkeel]

Ah, that's very good, he was the WK voter I suspected the most.

The worry, Tarkeel, is not that Rowain is scum buddy with Gaz, but that scum could have targeted Gaz directly instead of his protection target, to throw us off the scent.

Anyway I think this points pretty clearly to a scum team with two out of Lewwyn, Serdoa and Superdeath.

If Ser de Glum had been killed directly then his alignment would have been shown. This restriction is also the only way to make bodyguard a viable role for the munckin-team.