[Game Thread] WW49: Wizards and Werewolves

[novice]

@you asked sd to go and vote for scum.
Whom should sd vote for?

Why did you see lewwyn as town?

I think SD should vote for Serdoa or Lewwyn.

I didn't see Lewwyn as town, I saw him as the towniest non WK voter. I admit my play there was too fancy.

Serdoa I was wondering if Pindi got caught up in his own case and felt compelled to jump back on it after first jumping off, but you're right that he could just have "stayed in the meeting".

[novice]

Why do I think you're scum, Serdoa? Because of your voting and because you insist on keeping me as a lynch option today.

Why can you be scum with Lewwyn or Superdeath? Why on earth not? Tarkeel excluding those options seems completely unfounded. Scum teaming up to get Gaz lynched yesterday seems very likely.

[pindicator]

Of logic Serdoa mosts mimic
My thoughts while I'm stuck to this lim'rick
For today it's just three
That would get votes from me
With two scum left still to stick

[superdeath]

Out of everyone left, and especially between Serdoa who i think has been playing very towny and Lewwyn who's rhymes are such a pain to read and who's ability just reeks of scum to me..


Lewwyn Town Lewwyn had alot more energy before being killed off in every game so far. I think he feels defeated. Honestly the last scum has to be one of Novice/pindicator/adrien to me. I have strong Grognard feelings from Novice, and no idea on the last scum. If i dont get bombed or night killed tonight it will be a miracle, but unless i understand the order of operations wrong.. my power should still go thru and bring back the druid. Unless some other corpse is better?

[Serdoa]

Why do I think you're scum, Serdoa? Because of your voting and because you insist on keeping me as a lynch option today.

Why can you be scum with Lewwyn or Superdeath? Why on earth not? Tarkeel excluding those options seems completely unfounded. Scum teaming up to get Gaz lynched yesterday seems very likely.

novice, consider for a moment that I am town and just think about if you in my shoes would really just ignore you. I don't think you can honestly see it as a negative sign regarding me being town that I don't simply state "Yeah, SD and Lewwyn are the last two, lets get to it!". You can feel upset about it, I understand. But cite it as a reason that I have to be scum? 

As for your other point: Consider that you want to damn me on my voting - but Lewwyn has the same voting, just DS (whom we know is town as well) on D1. Which hey, that's incidentally another point towards not overvaluing D1 voting, because I would have hit a townie in any case or would have been on the sidelines and certainly that would be a point against me as well ("he tried to not get involved"). There really was no winning with the voting on D1.
Btw: SD does not have a much better record, just Adrien on D2 instead of Gaz - which actually is just another point towards him doing the same as always. Which doesn't absolve him, but Lewwyn and you are noticeably different to how you normally play.

As for D2: I again already explained in detail how I came to my Gaz-vote. You can disagree with it but you can't deny that it can easily be followed how my stance changed and why. I have shown why I don't think that the same is true for you and your WK-vote.

And again, I find it very untypical for you that you just want to look at the voting and simply ignore everything besides that. It does give the impression that - again as stated before - you are not interested in hunting scum.

[novice]

Out of everyone left, and especially between Serdoa who i think has been playing very towny and Lewwyn who's rhymes are such a pain to read and who's ability just reeks of scum to me..

Abilities were assigned before alignments were rolled.

[Serdoa]

If i dont get bombed or night killed tonight it will be a miracle, but unless i understand the order of operations wrong.. my power should still go thru and bring back the druid. Unless some other corpse is better?

I can't speak for all of town, but if you are not lynched SD in my opinion Tarkeel is the best option, because he is confirmed town and level-headed. And he is confirmed as in the game-master revealed that to us, there is not doubt. See this post if you have missed the N1-resolution for some reason.

[novice]

Why do I think you're scum, Serdoa? Because of your voting and because you insist on keeping me as a lynch option today.

Why can you be scum with Lewwyn or Superdeath? Why on earth not? Tarkeel excluding those options seems completely unfounded. Scum teaming up to get Gaz lynched yesterday seems very likely.

novice, consider for a moment that I am town and just think about if you in my shoes would really just ignore you. I don't think you can honestly see it as a negative sign regarding me being town that I don't simply state "Yeah, SD and Lewwyn are the last two, lets get to it!". You can feel upset about it, I understand. But cite it as a reason that I have to be scum? 

At this point, yes. I’m not saying you should say «let’s get to it» at the start of the day, but at this point, you should. Instead you’re postulating that I’m a sleepy, blocked serial killer in a 12 player game with 3 scum, to keep me as a lynch option.

Lewwyn is a good alternate lynch, yes. He has been gone today, which is null. Is your play today better than null? I’m not sure.

[Serdoa]

Novice, I admit your point with the SK is good - I'm all for it actually, that really seems rather unlikely as we haven't seen any other strong abilities either to counteract two kill roles. It does mean that I have to reconsider some of my points, though as I had pointed out earlier, I can see you jumping as scum on WK at the end because chances are he goes down anyway and this gives you deep cover. So you are not off the hook with that. 

You still could also be the Grognard, but in any case, it does indeed seem that the night-kill has to have been targeted directly at Rowain by scum. Which would been a great topic to discuss today - if someone (novice maybe you?) would have brought it up in time...

Honestly, why do you not bring that up earlier? Maybe if we would pool our resources we would actually get somewhere, we could discuss it in detail. But no, you let me talk and talk and talk and an hour before (delayed) lynch you finally come around to tell me "hey, consider that part of your theory might not work out". Yeah, consider that now is a little bit late to finally start participating...

(And you wonder why I tell you since the start of this day that you are not trying to help town?)

[novice]

Heh, I see your point I guess, but yeah... I was kind of expecting other players to weigh in as well.

I mean, I admit I’m not being extremely proactive, and I’m not doing rereads. But everybody else but you is doing nothing at all. I’m doing my future self a favor.