[Mjmd #56 no players] One ring to find them

[Miguelito]

With you guys holding pb54 hostage I've looked at graphs again.


I'm pretty sure it wasn't a workboat, else he would have grown earlier or gone full hammers. Him having a 3/1/x tile and us not stings. He also has 2/2/0 plainsforestsugar 2NW of his cap .
I can't make sense of the blue circle. If he is producing a settler, he can make either 3, 4, or 6 hammers, but not 5  
If this checks out apart from that, he has 2 improved food resources, a mine, pop 2, a warrior, a worker, and the second city.

[Mjmd]

Nifty work. That commerce loss is relevant because currently last tick on AH is 2 beakers. Mind we are settling before then and likely revolting to slavery. Sim being off for tech cost is relevant literally just for this point in time for sim, which is annoying. I'll do some math when I get closer to see if I need to delay revolting to slavery to keep workers engaged (I did this in PB52 to finish AH on an exact turn to keep a worker improving relevant tiles). There is the elephant next to the cow I can improve while waiting for AH which helps. I also need to figure out when I want one worker to start down to mine copper; my thoughts atm are right after the cow is improved. Simming to come. Obviously improving the dry corn first at new city.

[Miguelito]

I can't quite follow you but that is because I don't know the details of the micro plan.

If we revolt a turn later, does that mean that the new city spends its first turn in revolt? Should not, because the settler spends 2 turns moving, right? In that case I see no harm?

Also my pic above is bad, because obviously F6 tells us that vanrober doesn't have AH - so, what is the 5/0/x tile, an unforested grass deer? The point is that if my turn counts are correct the food increase comes a turn too early for a mine

[Mjmd]

1 turn moving. As a reminder part of the reason to do two workers is that I get to chop the forest underneath the city to found 1 turn sooner. Workers aren't doing anything else. 1 worker timing was settle T29. 2 worker timing was settle T30. Seemed pretty obvious at the time to get a 2nd worker out as it speeds up improving the corn and everything else. Plus starts capital growing again faster.

I promise a definitive micro plan before settling new city. I'll do math and things. I suspect that I will revolt turn 29 when settler is produced.

I also forgot to check F6. That is super relevant catch. Mind you he could have blind settled for horses. I did look at power and may have gone BW instead since it wasn't AH, but didn't settle copper. So settled some unknown uber 2 food location in a northern direction. The best copper spot I saw was straight south, which he should settle next. Meaning my pink dot spot should be uncontested. Also, unless settled on the horse, I shouldn't have to worry about military from him at least in the short term. Also, if he founds a religion it shouldn't be a holy city in my direction either.

[Mjmd]

T28. Current micro holding and settler is due T29, settle T30. A "good" event occurred in a forest growing a couple turns ago. However, it is bloody in the way of me getting to / roading to copper. I'm double thankful I went 2 workers now.



I know I still owe myself / Mig my own future Micro, but the T24 settler (T25 settle) was bugging the heck out of me now that Mig has dis proven my slow build early theory / that he did build a worker. Especially as no one else has settled yet (might change this turn). So for fun I tried to see with Charly of Celts to see how in the world he settled turn 25. Best I could come up with is irrigated plains wheat and forested grassland deer, which gets a T24 settler. The forested deer has to be first ring to get the worker out earlier. I didn't try all the food combinations, but I did try forested deer 2nd ring and got a T25 settler with that food combo. 2nd food can't be AH related though.

To say I would be salty if I'm right is an understatement. I'm mainly hoping Mig read the graphs wrong and he doesn't have a worker.

Fun fact I actually moved into a 1st ring forested deer in PB51 which partially offset my decision to move (it was supposed to be 2nd ring).

I did do some micro work for myself. Even with slavery revolt I should be lined up to perfectly start improving cow after corn with 1 worker (one that finishes corn). The question with the forest growth is actually do I need to send 1 of the workers south to chop that tile and then go mine copper / just start mining copper and have 2nd worker go chop after cow. Definitely made my sim job a lot harder. My wing it answer previously was both workers go improve cow (1 puts a turn into ivory) then one goes to mine copper while other finishes improving ivory. I definitely need to spend a night on various iterations now. See if I can get those chops to do something useful ect.

[Miguelito]

Wheel after AH.
Honestly I don't have though calm in my head right now to contribute to micro, but cow right after corn sounds nice and fluent.

Btw did you know that you can still camp a jungle fur? I didn't until recently, hence why I'm asking.

[Mjmd]

Do you ever hate it when your about to go to bed and the turn rolls and your like, "ya I guess".

Definitely wheel after AH. All the camp resources work the same way yes. I don't plan on stepping on that tile for a long time though. Its inferior to the ivory as a workable tile and I would want to road it at the same time, which is just way too many early worker turns.

Anyways, settled T30 as planned. Making me 3rd to a 2nd city. Besides Vanrobers "thank you SD you made my start OP" T25 settler (or mig is wrong, but my money is on SD done messed up). Anyways other than Van only Gira has settled (T28, which my other opening could have done). Amica / Tarkeel 2 pop whipped on T28, so assuming something is in the works (Tarkeel has been playing half the turns recently which I'm assuming Amica is busy and why we haven't been getting updates in PB55).


2nd copper. Lack of naming theme. Feels weird renaming "Rome". Maybe I'll do default / shrug. Scout will go 1NW then back to coast.  

Hopefully micro night tomorrow. Need something by T33, sooooooo

BTW Mig if you wanted to join either pitboss starting I would totally help with Micro if you don't get someone better. I do warn you I procrastinate (as you saw in PB55 for Amica lol)

[Miguelito]

Hm does a city between copper, corn, banana and fur fit into the dotmap? I mean we want to settle cities which don't need culture right?

I really don't think more than one game at a time is healthy for me, but I will come back at you for the next one
I did kinda sign up for a hammer on civforum.de though, but they play with a 48hrs timer and I'm determined to keep it casual (let's see how I manage that ). If the game happens at all, that is.

Btw superdeath why do you hate hills ?

[Mjmd]

Currently no, but obviously dotmapping will update based on scouting and others spots. I still like the pink dot as 3rd city as it sets me up to contest a lot that direction. I would LOVE to put a city NE of pig / NW of wet wheat over near Cairo. You can see my Cairo anticipated spots, but will see how high of priority he puts on it,. I should be able to beat him to 4th city and that settler is likely coming from Antium so maybe? I can then put a city where you suggested. Now I COULD switch 3rd city priority, but with Vanrober getting off to a fast start vs Cairo who I can beat to 4th I would like the current order.

Shudders at 48hr turn time. What is a "hammer" in civforum terms?

Again minus the ocean this is just Iowa terrain. Maybe he travels to Wisconsin as there are quite a few cows as well.

I read someones thoughts once that lush maps actually help non financial civs relatively. I think maybe it was Sulla? Unsure. This map will be a great test case anyways lol.

[Miguelito]

Hammer was game and autocorrect. They also play on deity, the games are eternal. What got my interest though is that global lurkers can comment strategy, so the threads are a lot more live. If it happens I'll report a bit on here as well