[SPOILERS]A new adventure of Vanrober always guided by chumchu

[chumchu]

Maybe. I do not see any indication that we will get help from someone else which makes me more inclined for peace.

Who gains the most from it? Us or mjmd? We are in a bad position now before catapults and do not want to build more axemen if we can avoid it. However, his economy might be hurting more than ours if he does not have currency.

[vanrober]

I think he is negative at 0% he not dieing because of the conquest war. So im unsure who wins more, if we can get peacefully to cats we can hold a bit more and maybe civac joins to the party.

But he will consolidate get more hammers even and try a huge second wave with cats that we wont be able to hold.

[chumchu]

Good argument. Let's not give him peace then. We do need to get to catapults to pressure him though.

[vanrober]

Good argument. Let's not give him peace then. We do need to get to catapults to pressure him though.

Well, i just finished and sent a blnk peace offer. If he takes we will be able to grow and make barracs in the rest of the cities make some workers we just lost and then start prechoping for cats. We do need Civac to come help if he doesnt he is going to be eated afterwords. It doesnt matter since Noble is goign to win either way xD

What do you think to build on the ruff area? duns and barracs and then units? or go units with 0 exp?

Asked for spices to Noble for free, we are giving OB and he has GLH so if he doesnt agree im afraid i ll have to stop OB.

[chumchu]

Cities without barracks can build wealth and then catapults.

[vanrober]

I guess you say that in case we get peace, otherwise?

[vanrober]

mjmd keeps trying us to pay for our own destruction. So i guess he doesnt really care if we keep on war, so lets stay on war.

   

I asked Noble for 160g and us giving him 17gpt in return, with that gold i think we can get construction on 3-4 turns.

his stack is dangerous. we cant hold that without a bunch of cats, he could go towards ruff land and get all those cities or burn them, we cannot fight vs those huge numbers. Im trying to make another stack on Grapes right now we need 15 units on every city to hold that, he has the advantage of being after us so if we empty to move to the next city he can just kill the city. So maybe losing Pome is the right choice here? im not sure but its really hard to defend that city.

   

[vanrober]

turn 108

noble gave us the spices freely and asked 17gpt to give us 150g. I accepted, gettig construction faster than mjmd is the only way we can survive longer than him. Its not enough gold so i asked civac for some gold and amica too. Also jowy, hopefully he sees his spot really bad and its nice and give us some gold. If any of this guys give us gold we can get construction in 3-4 turns. but as i said, we have little defense vs mjmd so im unsure if we are going to hold the enxt atack.

[vanrober]

He is bringing another stack, 12 praets more, he has 30 units already, we cant hold any city with that huge stack. He asked 70g if we give him that money he will get constructiona nd will get everything, and we will survive 10 turns more but just those 10 turns more, i dont think its a good invest. This way we hold him in this front and maybe civac and cairo cant atack him on the other front, if we give him peace it would be impossible for civac and cairo to join. I dont think they will join but i think it would be the best chance for them.

[chumchu]

I would not take peace here.

Great Diplo work!

We can consider leaving pome but we should try to make him waste movement going to siege it.