[Spoilers] Woden takes on the World (PBEM18)

[Woden]

Trying to bore you into defeat.

 Sounds about right!

[Woden]

Throw all nukes and capture all capitals on the same turn? When does the alliance with Canada end?

Probably just throw them all at Canada. The alliance started on T249, so ends on T280 but then I have to denounce and wait 5 turns. By T285, I should be able to capture all of suboptimal's cities. Ichabod will be gone in 2 or 3 turns, then I will send everything to suboptimal. Don't think it will take too much time to wipe out suboptimal once I get my navy of by him.

[Woden]

Turn 268
Three new nukes to play with and three Brazilian cities left standing...



Not quite enough to take all 3, so maybe not quite the end of Brazil but he should be leaving the game next turn.

[Woden]

Turn 269
It is kind of funny that when you defeat someone in a PBEM, you get to see the defeat movie and screen. Brazil is no more...
   

Good game Ichabod! You were one tough cookie!

[williams482]

Congrats again on the win, and thanks for reporting in so much detail! I was very curious about what was happening on that side of the continent while the game was ongoing, and those questions are now answered. The nuke videos were an excellent touch, although I daresay I'm glad none of them featured Canada prominently.

And yeah, we definitely botched that invasion of England at the end. I wanted to conquer someone, damn it, and figured if it ever really mattered you'd drop a few more bombs to speed things up. We were hopelessly backward and relying on charity to win a war, just like the rest of the game. 

Speaking of: 

Last turn, Canada came asking for a trade of 20 oil from his 20 iron. I rejected it because I don't need iron and I don't want to see my oil go to one of my enemies if he (Canada) thinks I am making too much progress against one of them.  Both Kaiser and Ichabod have small reserves of oil and don't think either is making more than 3 barrels per turn (1 oil field). Basically, I don't want him playing kingmaker. Will, he came back with this...

My reading of this trade is: "Poor me (Canada) has only iron units and a research rate of 128 versus suboptimal, who has oil units (tanks; saw gossip about it) and a research rate of 176  , I need your oil so I can research better units without revealing my own oil." The gold is about where research of those 2 are now.  I think suboptimal will switch gears and turn on Canada as soon as he can. He is the easier target and with Canada making peace with Kaiser, suboptimal lost his +5 CS bonus right after signing a new alliance. But dude, you made our bed and switch to the dark side. You have alliances with both Kaiser and Ichabod, who you were just at war with and are currently helping out against us, your former allies. I am not going to send you oil because I have no doubt it would end up in Ichabod's hands if I start taking his cities away from him and he came asking. I hope suboptimal comes after you. It keeps him away from me while I fight Ichabod. I also need suboptimal because I am sending him 6 trade routes for roughly 100 and 18 and am getting 3 luxury resources from him. I am currently at 31 war wariness right now dependent on him. I hope he depends on me as much as I depend on him. I would be hurting big time if I wasn't trading with suboptimal.

Well, your reading of the message I sent was dead on accurate. Same with your reading of the other "hey please look at this thing" trade offer, which you'd obviously been well aware of and making plans about for quite a while. Oops. 

I'm curious if this offer would have drawn the same reaction if you'd known at the time the desperate situation Wild was in loyalty-wise, which (combined with Kaiser signalling willingness to help us prop ourselves up with his WC votes) was the singular reason we pivoted from sending Egypt sassy demands in peace deals to signing a cultural alliance over the course of like four turns. Diplomacy gets real weird when one civ has the ability to take your cities even while technically allied with you, and I'm pretty confident Canada would have stayed in "fuck you" mode towards Egypt for the rest of the game if that didn't mean surrendering two core cities. Trying to score Charley Burke and/or Bortus would certainly have been satisfying, although I doubt we could have pulled it off.

[Woden]

That post was a little sour...sorry for that, heat of the moment type thing.

As for your question, no, it wouldn't have changed anything knowing Wild was in deep loyalty issues. I was willing to help you where I could but ultimately, I couldn't risk oil going to Kaiser or Ichabod and then seeing a bunch of tank upgrades. I also did need suboptimal distracted somehow. A big worry of mine at the time was suboptimal realizing he could have destroyed my coastal cities if he sailed his fleet over to my coast. I really didn't have much of a navy at the time to stop him. I think I had 2 fleet or armada battleships and a couple of ironclads.

In all honesty, you were pretty much out of the game at this time and I was going to help where I could to make it difficult for whoever attacks you but wasn't going risk hurting my advantages and lots of oil was one of them.

[Woden]

Congrats again on the win, and thanks for reporting in so much detail! I was very curious about what was happening on that side of the continent while the game was ongoing, and those questions are now answered. The nuke videos were an excellent touch, although I daresay I'm glad none of them featured Canada prominently.

Thanks!

I was building nukes in a bunch of my cities and probably would have at least 10 by the time our alliance ended. My plan was to nuke all your cities on the first turn I could. And then I would have had at least one GDR to take your capital.

[roland of gilead]

boooo no GDR's

thanks for the Nuke videos again great to watch.