[PB61 spoilers] vanrober lonely in a green field

[vanrober]

Turn 108

When i woke up today i saw Rekenner had already played wich was great. He saw that i was about to atack and he tried somehow to threat me

   

But he is not in that possition so i declared war this turn, i have 8 2 movers and 8 1 movers. 2 HA are coming a bit after. He has done a silver mine this turn, that will be great for a new city, so im thinking on making a settler right the way. and stop making HA, although josh is already moving towards the core of Jesse, so im thinking on makin another little stack to get a couple of snipes. Not sure if Amica would see that as being an asshole. I wouldnt like to happen.

Bellarch is getting construction in 4 turns, so i tried to warn Amica somehow, not sure if it will be well understood. I forgot to put war vs bellarch so i put him afterwards

   

not sure how hard i have to keep whiping for settlers and workers and also for HA for the snipes of Jesse. not sure if i should or not, since that border would be really nice with amicalola, otherwise im not that sure.

Demos are not really as good, someone is getting crazy food and im falling behind on that, i think its normal since im whiping now. But still i need to focus on growing and not falling behind.

   

[civac2]

Your priorities are off (imo of course). You have the opportunity to grab a good amount of land cheaply. Take whatever is not nailed down and pry loose what is. When you have 20 cities the food situation will sort itself out. If you do not make enough units because you are worrying about that small food gap you are going to do much more damage to your game than a bit of whipping will.

[vanrober]

Thanks civac, im afraid of whiping tons of settlers and get on a bankrupcy. Im scared of whip my empire and then also get atacked by amicalola once he see he has 12091750257120354 praets and 12094571024710 cats ready to hit me. I have mids and colossus and a shrine that can be tasty.

So not getting to longbows wich i think its pretty much my only chance to defend would be crazy bad for me.

thanks for saying your opinion i really apreciate. Ill try to keep thinking about it. Probably ill go in game in 5h or so to think about the whips.

[vanrober]

So i ve been thinking and i can whip several HA more in the next couple of turns getting 6 more. I can more actually but i wanted to make some workers and settlers too. I was thinking sending those towards jesse, he has to be with either archers or axes, so i should be able to get it with 6 units. Right now im afraid of chasing 2 rabits and losing both. So maybe i shouldnt.

I was thinking this 2 options for settling the rest of the land. Red dots would be get that 8 sizecity and whip a defense since its really far.

   

The yellow one would mean no hill for defense but 1 tile closer, also it would be able to make another city getting the caw. But not real food there. I think the red one is better short them but yellow long term, not sure what would be better. Not sure how much would amicalola care about me sniping a couple of cities actually.

Also, in case it matters to make any kind of turn spliting with Bing, i didnt move anything now so i guess i should be on first half. It shouldnt be a big deal in anycase since we are in opossite sides of Rekenner right now, but maybe if we get to the capitol at same time it matters.

[Miguelito]

So not getting to longbows wich i think its pretty much my only chance to defend would be crazy bad for me.

If I was nervous about facing praets midterm and had MC already I'd want crossbows and then maybe maces? And of course collateral,  not sure if you have constru already.
Of course vassalage is a great tech for you for the civic alone (no idea if you'd rather want bureau), and I suppose it's just a question of in which order you get all those?

[vanrober]

A couple of turns ago i did a bit of my thoughts about MC vs Vassallage.

MC: PRO
Cheaper and gives gold for lumbermills
Allow me to make mills (but i dont really want them yet, im lacking worker labour)
CONS
xbows are more expensive
Monarchy+feud: PRO
More happy (got 2 wines) and improve tiles
Vassallage in longbows sounds nice
Longbows are cheap
I want to try serfdom too, right now i have tons of farms and i feel i would take a lot of money out of that, also im lacking workers and i think that would help too.
CONS
More expensive


ITs true i would need construction on some point, but i dont remember amicalola coming towards my mainland so he doesnt know if i have construction or not. I wanted to do it after feudalism.

About buro, i was thinking going straigt for knights but actually if my war plans work i wouldnt need knights for long, i think it would be better to consolidate with engeneering and trying to get taj or lib afterwards. And in both of them i could get buro, i think buro is stronger than vasallage if im out of fights, we will see how is the situation

[vanrober]

I ve been sleeping witht hat idea and i prefere machinery just for the prize. Amica is still hugely making units. I need xbows for defence, its about 9 turns to get them still. And im thinking and cottaging all rekenners land might be too slow, maybe making mills there makes more sense. Maybe not all times mills but it might makes sense to make several already. After machinery construction will be a must.

He has road towards cologne, so i expect him to take it soonish, so my only chance to get a piece of jesse is getting Essen. But the border with frakfurt woudlnt be too good. So maybe frankfurt and the city on the west of those. But then getting 3 out of the 6 cities is too much. In any case i sent some more diplo to amica.

Ive receibed fish fish, which i sent back. And then i sent him the war with bellarch horses and ivory with 2 gold, meaning that he is getting construction in 2 turns, that maybe he should be careful on that border. And then a copper copper war with jesse. I want to see what reaction he has with me atacking jesse. If he threats me i might not atack, or just essen and put a bunch of culture to get the pig.


Bing is crazy, he has a huge stack of 15 axes and some other things. Luckily im getting the capitol before he can do anything, and my stack is good enough to hold in case of war. I have 6 HA and 81 movers, that defending a hill should be good. He has to worry about jack i would say rather than me. Im sending him fish fish and see what he asnwer. Next turn ill ask for peace to rekenner, not like he is getting it, but maybe if he gives me Bing will see i have no more hunger of rekenner and ge feels good enough with those 2 cities, and maybe he is able to get some more fillers going.

The borders with Amica are going to be really big, he will have 20 cities and so i will. So the question is, should we atack each other to release tensions or should we just keep expanding west? I think i cant kill them before cuirs or something like that, long term i have better research probably, but short them with praets they can either defend well and cheap and still have good atackers. I would rather prefer to keep getting bing with Jack while he gets bellarch. Lets see if my diplo skills are that good or not.

Getting currency is been huge, since now i have almost 30gpt more, with colossus and courthouses my economy is good enough, with rep its also much better.

Jack is not liking too much me having courthouses and spaming EPs on him, so he is getting CoL right now to make the same to me, im afraid. It will also help his economy a lot. But his economy is already like mine... having 4 metals is a lot i would say. I hope the silvers from rekenner will help me too. 

Right now i need to build too many things, 5 settlers, some workers would be nice too, the missionaries for those cities and also some defenders for the new cities. And also some more atackers in case i go for jesse

And to finish my thoughts i wanna show you my war with rekenner. Took the city with a chariot so his culture went out and my workers could road the mine and i could move the rest of 2 movers towards hills that allow me to get his capitol next turn. Both cities were empties. The one movers to the north are moving already towards rekenner's capitol in case they need to defend from bing. He got 2 pop in the capitol this turn and didnt whip so either he is getting 1 unit already next turn or he couldnt whip it, if he whips next turn it wont work. His city kept the granary which is so nice.

   

The economy had a good boost as you can see comparing with the other screenshot i gave in a couple of turns eventhough all the whiping im doing.

   

[vanrober]

Turn 110

Amica answered my diplo with a nice offer. I understand with this that as long as we are friends (i hope that means the rest of the game) we can share a bit of jesse. So my plan is getting Essen and then atack Frakfurt and the west sided city.

   

I have 15 HA already but 8 of them are boringly sitting on Rekenners capitol. Sad. I asked peace for rekenner and clams clams with Bing. Also i asked copper and stone from him in another message wanting to say those cities are yours. Lets be friends. (at least until Jack backstabb you)

This is the trouble he has right now

       

So if im able to make the atack on jesse with the 15 HA im confident on thaking those 3 cities, i trust amica right now for being friendly, and on 6 turns ill whip some xbows to help him understand that we are friends. If i just atack with 7 or 8 im not that sure. We will see.
This is the front of amica, he is going for Colognia, not sure how many units jesse has since he has no OB with anyone.

       

Now i wanted to make kind of a big overview of how people is doing on game. So here they are some detailed graphs for you, and also the demos of this turn. As you can see on demos, i am the king of GNP right now, but if we quit culture and EPs, im not that sure that im top tier. Im up several tech but down on calendar and construction to the 3 well played guys. Once i make machinery in 5 more turns of 100% then ill get some gold for construction, and then will go towards feudalism. Im thinking that maybe getting circunnavigation makes sense, but im not that sure. I would probably make engeneering for road movement and safety. Then i would go towards taj or lib i think. But im afraid bellarch will get another wonder, MoM, it will be sad. Somehow i think jack is not making any wonder and not really making an atack either, his power is not rising a lot nor his hammers. Idk. If bellarch or maybe i should say mjmd is getting another wonder their game will look so nice. Thats the reason for me to get city vision on bellarch i need around 5 turns for that, so im moving a couple of chariots to scout him out, since when i canceled OB with him i lost my boat and didnt move towards him any chariot.

                   

[vanrober]

mjmd spent 1h 30 min lel.

[vanrober]

If i declare war to jesse in second half it will take ages for turn. Amica told he will play PB60 and PB61 in 4 or 5h. at that time ill be sleeping so i would need another 4 or 5 h to play PB61 which would make 32h per turn, which seems massive slow.

So probably makes more sense to atack first half, but thats bad for me. I feel like on PB56 again :/