[PB62] Organizing and tech thread

[Miguelito]

Since when has no spies been default? They're allowed in pb59 which is a ruining game, and have they ever caused a problem?

[Charriu]

Vassals: seems weird without making it full diplo, but maybe I'm missing something

The way I see it, it's a way to publically concede in-game. Even if the option is on, I'm not sure if it will change anything big, but I know Charriu put the work in to make it an option, so why not?

It wasn't that much work. The idea for changes happened during PB52 in which I could have been the vassal of Mjmd. Back then I would have vassalized myself to him for protection. But like you said it's also a way to concede in-game and may be the only way to end an MP game with a proper domination victory instead of a concession.

[civac2]

I prefer the way this is handled right now. Irrelevant Civs should largely stay out of conflicts among major powers. The whole idea of vassal states is out of place in competitive MP games.

[superdeath]

Vassals: seems weird without making it full diplo, but maybe I'm missing something

The way I see it, it's a way to publically concede in-game. Even if the option is on, I'm not sure if it will change anything big, but I know Charriu put the work in to make it an option, so why not?

Can you cancel your vassal status incase you were to take the concession back?


If you can, im all for it. Providing that it can be explained how having a vassal works now.. because i remember them being a huge waste of time due to costs.

[Fabled]

What all does the difficulty effect in multiplayer games? I like the idea of a tighter happy cap but I'm unfamiliar with the implications.

Edit: I'm curious, what are the reasons folks like war weariness off and city trading off?

[civac2]

It doesn't affect happy cap but it does affect maintenance cost of cities, civics and units, tech costs and number and strength of barbarians.

[superdeath]

It doesn't affect happy cap but it does affect maintenance cost of cities, civics and units, tech costs and number and strength of barbarians.

Unless its been changed, it should affect happy cap. Monarch allowing... size 5? cities and size 6? capital, and higher difficulties bringing that down one, ect.

[superdeath]

Edit: I'm curious, what are the reasons folks like war weariness off and city trading off?

WW just is a mechanic that drags down the game. MP games tend to be passive/slow as it is, and if someone is waiting for WW to drop so they arent crippled... we get REALLY boring games imo. (or at least tend to get)

City trading just leaves more room for kingmaking/un-fairness. "that guy attacked me, and is going to run me over, im going to trade all my cities to X player" OR: "I have 1 city bordering X player that is about to declare on me. If i gift that city to X player, they cant get to me due to open borders/peace treaties/ect/ect."

[civac2]

Monarch happy cap is 4. Maybe it's higher on Prince or lower.

[superdeath]

Swear it went down one more at like immortal/deity? /badmemory