[PB61 spoilers] vanrober lonely in a green field

[vanrober]

thats what i wanted to mean. Always nice to set that wonder far from your capitol, but in a safe place and you dont want to hold you so many turns in that building.

[vanrober]

Turn 152

I didnt finish turn, i need to do something rightnow and didnt thought about when i loged in first place.

To start i got a funny request from bing, funny i would say.

   

Then i have a question before continuing with the report. Can someone tellme if ill have a full GA turn if i finish taj if it finish in the end of the turn my GA finish? So imagine taj finish turn 160 and Ga finish turn 160, will i have GA until 169 or until 168?

Im thinking also in making banking before, i want to close borders so they dont see my stack coming, josh have already lerss knights than i do, and if he doesnt know where it comes he will be in a paranoid mode. Also the circunnavigation of Bellarch is really being huge in therms of gold, just on my he is getting 40g extra traderoutes, if i clsoe borders i think he wont have enough to fill that. So if they start getting worse income it does work to me.

Its delaying just 1 turn cuirs so i think its fine

[civac2]

You will get the full GA turn that way.

[vanrober]

Turn 152 second part

Thanks civac for confiming what i thought. I launched GA this turn for 2 reasons, first one i would get extra money to be safer with my plan of getting Taj and MT. But also, it was making some monk buildings get one turn faster, so thats more hammers, and start making The Army.

Bing is just fortified for now waiting me to atack him, but that not going to happen. Im gonna leave several cats and hitters in case he dares to atack but my plan right now is just push into josh with as powerful as possible, he is getting meditation to get Filo and Nat, i guess he wants to draft, he also took drama so i guess he is making the Amicalola's plan of getting Globe in a full food city to draft everyturn forever. I wanted to do that too, but getting the amount of theatres and stuff done to then build it seems just too much, so ill do it after i get the key tech. Which are Economics, liberalism and rifling. It would be awesome tog et those in this 17 turns of GA, and i think if not all i can get most of them. I would like to lib cannons, though.

Bellarch is getting CS now, so he has the option fo going paper and galleons to be annoying on my coasts or maybe he is trying to get lib before me, or maybe he is getting Nat too. Not sure. But i think ill focus on land. I think we were too afraid on PB60 on the sea when we had the power of just run into their cities with no possible answer. Im getting so many farms down thanks to CS so that if i lose the coast i am not that screwed. But the plan is clear, getting rifles and cannons and rush the map.

Bellarch is 100% research and just 600 GNP when having 2 KTB, so i think my economy is like 3 times his right now. Or at least almost that. Courthouses have been king for me this game, i just spend 225gpt at 100% having the most land the most pop and the biggest army right now, Bellarch has to wate at least 300gpt since he is melting the 600 fail gold he took from my wonders.

Josh has 2 scouts looking my armies, and in 2 turns he will lost vision, i think ill declare war and let him get paranoid. Ill have merch already and that way ill lock the turn split, i thought that Bellarch will break the OB since he is getting no profit and he is still paying 8gpt. But if he do that he will lose vision on me and i still have because of EP. I even think on getting the free specialist of Merch as spy to keep the vision on all of them. Bing has my tech, and he will me amaced on my cuirs, i dont think he will dare to atack me seeing i have cuirs. So its fine for him to get afraid of my empire, i think i have so much EP spent that he will need ages to get city vis on me. And just puting 1 turn of EP on him will make him completely blind and maybe will make me get some vision on his land. For now i have a HA looking his land, and until he gets engeneering it will be enough. Maybe i should put some EP to know when that happens. But in the worst case i just lose a HA.

So lets see the number of knights they have:

           


As you can see we are more or less even, but i ve just made 5 in the last 5 turns so im not making any army yet. Look my production:

   

Did i say im making "some" Monk buildings? hehehehe

Demos looks good for me. I feel so stupid of the sadness i had some days ago. Jack did good enough to delay bellarch even thought he could have listen my warnings. If he would have, bellarch would be completely done by know. I guess this way is a bit more interesting. Im so excited to see if i can manage this advantage into a win.

       

[vanrober]

quick addendum, ive just thought, i have much more than enough gold for now, what if i spend 1 turn 10% EP? that would let me get the tech vision of Bing, and still make the pressure of Eps in the rest, while hiding a bit my super economy from bellarch.

   

[vanrober]

Turn 153

Jack is about to die. Not much time to make a better report today.

           

And bellarch for some reason he is moving the other stack far from me, which sounds good.

   

[vanrober]

Context, i think belalrch is declaring after me this turn, so i declared first and claimed second half allowing him to double move me, since the only thing he can do is destroy a couple of improvements, but getting second half when defending from this dogpile i think its important.

So i sent him this:

Hello Bellarch,

Im afraid ive just DoW you, claiming second half of the split. It might sound weird since i played first this turn, it basically means you are playing after this turn and double turning me next turn so that i stay on second half. I also wish you play after josh and bing, its early in the war but i want to avoid any issue in the future, although ill ask lurkers for it.

Best wishes

vanrober

So i want to set a playing order from now on if you are all fine with it. I want bing and josh to play and then bellarch something like bing>josh>bellarch>me or josh>bing>bellarch>me. I dont mind the order between josh and bing (for now at least) since they cannot atack the same city, but any of them with bellarch can and it would be hard to plan the defence in that case. 

Feel free to ask any question, ill try to make a big report tonight to make some better context but i wanted to post this question/suggestion to you in case the european lurkers are going ot bed before i post the full report

[vanrober]

Turn 154

I declared war to josh and bellarch this turn. Ill try to explain the reasoning behind that afterwards.

I set a trap for Bing, but he seems to know it somehow (i think EPs are giving him city vision of Concordia so he saw the trap) So i asked for peace and moved my stack out of the city when i saw his stack so that i could bait him thinking i moved my units and i could hit his stack first to destroy it. But he didnt move, which means either he know or he is too scared.

First mistake of this turn, getting a convertion in mech as first thing in the turn. I should have taken PS, Nat and Theo too, so tha ti could whip a real army out of knights so that when they saw my civic swap they could panic and look better the peace treaty. But i wont be able to swap until 5 turns of now. Another issue was getting a 10% last turn on EPs, with that 10% i could have got gunpowder in 1 turn.

   

Bellarch moved 1 tile back his army, but it was in order not to let me see it with the knight i had in a hill, i guess he doesnt know i have city vision on him. And then he took 2 cities of jack and is about to get the last ones since jack has barely a longbow. So he is moving part of that stack and cats towards me. Which make really clear his intentions, also posting that about 4 hours made me think he was atacking me. 

       

first i thought to send some diplo, and i might be too impulsive, and spammed josh and bellarch too much, instead of clearly think some beforehand. I wish i could redo that diplo. But i guess ive panic. Before the war i canceled OB so that they could no longer see where my units are, and that way i could still get a decent chance of make tthen paranoid enough. But then i realized that if war is gonna come either way its better to start now, i dont want them to consolidate too much and if they focus on units they will ruin their eco faster than i will, even more if i can push to any of them and get gains.

   

I asked bellarch to point to bing or to josh and me helping him, same diplo to josh, and then i atacked josh asking right back for peace, asking him to atack bellarch too with the peace. If any of them take the peace i will have more succed chances. Right now my hammers are the double of bellarch and Josh, and bing is pretty far.

Josh spent a whole bunch of EPs last turn on me, i didnt saw his EPs in city investigation, so i got tricked and lost several city investigation. He is making HE in Berlin, which i would say its also tricky/dangerous for him (unless he takes the 10 turns of free peace).

In 2 turns ill finish my last monk buildings (in 3 cities) and from that on ill just push on units. My expenses are much higher since the market+grocer bonnus plus Arthemise were giving a lot of gold but i got more beakers right now thanks to the speciallist (one reason not to be sad for not changing into PS) But still need 30beakers more to get gunpowder, not really a huge deal since i migth get one turn faster MT thanks to this fact with the OF, maybe i can get it in 2 turns instead of 3. 

Im a bit scared of this dogpile, i have not much city advantage, and although i can make better units they are much more hammer expensive than theirs. And cats knights are still good against cats cuirs. But Bellarch need still a bunch of turns to get his good units here, and ill start mass producing next turn in every city (but those 3 that needs 2 turns to get the monk buildings done)

[civac2]

Yeah, I really don't think you can do that.

Could you legally declare war?

You can demand a turn order between players fighting you but you cannot demand the specific order. It depends on how they played in the turn the war is declared for each. Before war declaration they can play whenever they want to.

Edit: You played before bellarch in turns 153 and 154. If you declare war you get the first half.

[vanrober]

I can declare since i played 153 then belalrch played 153 then i declared 154 adn then belalrch played 154, right??

I declared war on turn 154 to josh and Bellarch, josh played before belalrch, so it seems clear to me that he should keep playing before bellarch? SAme with Bing, bing played before belalrch, why wouldnt be possible bing keep playing before bellarch?

Do you mean its illegal to declare in first half and ask him to double move you?