American Politics Discussion Thread

[BING_XI_LAO]

What do you think of the idea that the Afghan withdrawal was deliberately mishandled by the Mil-Ind complex so as to punish Biden for ordering it to go ahead?

[Charriu]

That sounds a lot like a conspiracy. Also why should they punish him for something Trump already decided before him.

[MJW (ya that one)]

What do you think of the idea that the Afghan withdrawal was deliberately mishandled by the Mil-Ind complex so as to punish Biden for ordering it to go ahead?

Kabul fell so quickly because the Afghan goverment pocketed solder's money. The speed caused the chaos. Now, if you do things that account for the speed of the collapse, you are acknowledging the Afghan goverment will implode and are explicitly handing the country over to the Taliban.

[Mjmd]

There was also criticism from allies about lack of communication from US during withdraw. Ya it was going to be a mess, but communications and working better with allies was high on my list of things I wanted post Trump (overall Biden admin has been doing 'ok' compared to 'dumpster fire', but certainly not good).

[Bobchillingworth]

MJW is spot-on. Withdrawal clearly could have been handled better, but there was an inescapable catch-22; if you start evacuating people months earlier, then you're signaling that you have lost confidence in the Afghan government's ability to survive, and the whole teetering edifice is going to come crumbling down very quickly. Of course if you wait too long it's going to collapse on its own anyway, and you're going to have to scramble with even less time to prepare.

[Jowy]

What do you think of the idea that the Afghan withdrawal was deliberately mishandled by the Mil-Ind complex so as to punish Biden for ordering it to go ahead?

The retreat wasn't even bad, it's just right wing propaganda. It's actually insane how Biden's popularity dropped like a rock for ending a stupid fucking war. There's one thing that unites all Americans and that's the desire to bomb brown people.

That said, when one war ends, another will begin. Biden's speech spelled it out. They will continue the same shit in another country in the future.

[superdeath]

There's one thing that unites all Americans and that's the desire to bomb brown people.

[BING_XI_LAO]

What do you think of the idea that the Afghan withdrawal was deliberately mishandled by the Mil-Ind complex so as to punish Biden for ordering it to go ahead?

The retreat wasn't even bad, it's just right wing propaganda. It's actually insane how Biden's popularity dropped like a rock for ending a stupid fucking war. There's one thing that unites all Americans and that's the desire to bomb brown people.

That said, when one war ends, another will begin. Biden's speech spelled it out. They will continue the same shit in another country in the future.

The retreat wasn't bad?? I didn't follow the details much, but at the end there, you have Americans and their collaborators milling around in a crowd, depending on the Taliban's prudence and pragmatism to keep ISIS suicide bombers out. Not to get too edgy, but it was kind of disappointing there was only one suicide bomber at the end, a more glorious fuckup would've been appropriate for such a moronic war! I'd have a really hard time saying "no" to some eager wired up jihadi if I was one of the Taliban guards having to be the responsible adult. 

That said yes, it was disgusting seeing Biden getting criticised for, of all, things, ending a 20-year war. Just goes to see the garbage priorities of the patriotard commentariat. Oh well, hopefully the US gets dumpstered in Taiwan or the Ukraine soon, would be glorious to see neocon tears, almost worth the economic fallout.

MJW is spot-on.  Withdrawal clearly could have been handled better, but there was an inescapable catch-22; if you start evacuating people months earlier, then you're signaling that you have lost confidence in the Afghan government's ability to survive, and the whole teetering edifice is going to come crumbling down very quickly.  Of course if you wait too long it's going to collapse on its own anyway, and you're going to have to scramble with even less time to prepare.

Yeah, I guess there is no need for a conspiratorial explanation of the withdrawal as a whole, but I still think the Bagram early withdrawal was suspicious. Maybe though it's just the sort of thing that happens when no-one with authority wants to attach themselves to the embarrassment by taking a lead.

[BING_XI_LAO]

Wow, total acquittal? Thought it would be mistrial without prejudice. Bad day to be an arsonist terrorist in America.

[Dp101]

Wow, total acquittal? Thought it would be mistrial without prejudice. Bad day to be an arsonist terrorist in America.

More like an excellent day to be a terrorist in America, you can murder people and get away with it because the entire justice system is a parody of itself at this point. That judge was so far beyond incompetent and biased that I don't even know where to begin.