American Politics Discussion Thread

[T-hawk]

What's the difference? If the goverment has power to condemn you to capitivity for no crime, the conditions or length of the captivity are not what matters.

Remember that it started with the Jewish ghettos - not bad conditions, just "keep the undesirables away." That turned into the camps as the rest of the population cheered it on.

I have in fact visited Dachau in Germany in person. "Never Again" was the lesson, and yet now the world repeats it. Speak up for them, or there will be nobody left to speak up for you.

[Jowy]

Remember that it started with the Jewish ghettos - not bad conditions, just "keep the undesirables away."  That turned into the camps as the rest of the population cheered it on.

Seeing as ghettos exist in America right now, would you say you are in favor of increasing social welfare?

[Mr. Cairo]

What's the difference?  If the goverment has power to condemn you to capitivity for no crime, the conditions or length of the captivity are not what matters.

You say that like it's a new thing? How many people spend months or longer in jail before their trial because they're too poor to afford bail? Police can grab you at a protest with any excuse they want, hold you for a day or two, and then release you without any charges. You complain endlessly about government overreach and authoritarianism but I don't see you crying out to defund the police, the literal arm of state-sanctioned violence directed against it's own citizens.

Making someone quarantine in a hotel for a week or two seems pretty tame compared to what the police and justice systems are doing on a regular basis.

Nor is it even the first time in recent memory people are made to quarantine like this. Remember SARS? People were quarantined then for possible exposure and that was with a handful of worldwide cases. Were you crying out for people possibly being infected with SARS to be released from quarantine then? What if there were a biological terrorist attack against your neighboring town with weaponized anthrax or something. Would you want that town quarantined or would that be a "concentration camp" too? Are drunk driving laws too authoritarian? How about keeping lead out of gas? What about health and safety standards at restaurants? There are countless restrictions placed on our lives for the sake of public health and public safety. Are you opposed to all of them? Or just the ones that have been associated with "the left" in the USA?

[Bobchillingworth]

Stop comparing quarantining in a hotel and public health measures to the fucking Holocaust, you goddamn degenerate.

[CFCJesterFool]

bitchute.com/video/MgJwtIJxbKf5/

The video is called "A Message To Those Who Took The Jabs."

[Jowy]

bitchute.com/video/MgJwtIJxbKf5/

The video is called "A Message To Those Who Took The Jabs."

Quick google search on WTF is "bitchute":

"Video-hosting service BitChute has become a hotbed for violent, conspiratorial and hate-filled video propaganda."

"As mainstream social media platforms respond to pressure to ban extremists, the far right has found a new home for “hate and terror”."

I think I'm going to pass on that video.

[T-hawk]

Stop comparing quarantining in a hotel and public health measures to the fucking Holocaust, you goddamn degenerate.

Stop trumpeting the abuse and destruction of human rights, you fucking tyrant.

It's dumbfounding how the same people who think health care is somehow a human right, don't think that not literally being imprisoned for no crime is not a human right.

You say that like it's a new thing? How many people spend months or longer in jail before their trial because they're too poor to afford bail? Police can grab you at a protest with any excuse they want, hold you for a day or two, and then release you without any charges.

These aren't good either! You're using bad abuse of power as precedent to justify more bad abuse of power. This is exactly the slippery slope that your side keeps saying isn't happening, as we watch it happen.

Of course the Australian quarantine enforcement isn't the Holocaust concentration camps... yet. That's the whole point, they started mildly enough to not arouse opposition, then became the horrors as public frenzy against the targets escalated.

Seeing as ghettos exist in America right now, would you say you are in favor of increasing social welfare?

I'm guessing you don't know this - that's not the same usage of the word, it doesn't mean poor economically. The ghetto in this sense means the areas where a societal underclass such as Jews were forcibly confined. (I didn't know this either until recently, I learned this at the Holocaust museum in Washington DC a few years ago.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_ghettos

[MJW (ya that one)]

moderator fight!

I think T-hawk started this with his dumb concentration camp remark so he loses.

[Mjmd]

I mean as far as quarantine goes this seems fine, if poorly communicated, but not any kind of slippery slope. Are you really suggesting never to quarantine ever? You can argue it isn't needed, but its just a difference of their government deciding a different appropriate level of death. Things like masks and quarantine are common and effective ways of preventing the spread of disease.

[Ginger()]

Stop comparing quarantining in a hotel and public health measures to the fucking Holocaust, you goddamn degenerate.

[A] Stop trumpeting the abuse and destruction of human rights, you fucking tyrant.

[B] It's dumbfounding how the same people who think health care is somehow a human right, don't think that not literally being imprisoned for no crime is not a human right.

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[C] Of course the Australian quarantine enforcement isn't the Holocaust concentration camps... yet.  That's the whole point, they started mildly enough to not arouse opposition, then became the horrors as public frenzy against the targets escalated. 

[A] Pretty sure reckless spread of contagion is a violation of my human right to life out of the three of life, liberty, property. I frankly couldn't give a rude thing here about someone's liberty when they're knowingly and repeatedly endangering my life despite being given convenient ways out (mask, vaccine, iso, etc.) that they're too arrogant or entitled to take

[B] Hilton house arrest isn't imprisonment. It last two weeks maximum as the potential for virus passes, and the crime is moving across a border without the proper documentation (vaccination, proof of immunity). After all I'm sure you'd agree border controls are important tool for maintaining security.

[C] I assume you have evidence to back up such a weighty accusation? I sure hope nobody would baselessly claim the worst possible case scenario on the slippery slope fallacy of structural similarities; that would certainly lower the credibility about future alarm calls and put us all in danger of a real threat to democracy.

If all of a sudden people in happy Middle-ScenarioEarth started spontaneously combusting, blowing up those they contact, would it be a tyrannical act to separate those who bear that risk for the necessary period of time to make sure they don't combust?
On one hand we have to weigh the cost of people dying, on the other hand, Karen really doesn't like staying in a hotel room... Gosh its so hard to choose