[SPOILERS] Woden and ljubljana like boats

[ljubljana]

The joy. One can only hope the same bug does not apply on defense...

[Woden]

The joy. One can only hope the same bug does not apply on defense...

I don't think it will because it seems to do with where the unit you are attacking is located. I think if he is attacking me in my land, I should get it but I guess we won't know until later.

[ljubljana]

Also, are you ok with blocking the Borodino harbor with one of your ships? I think we need to block it something for me to hit TCD as otherwise I will lose frigates in the counterattack. But my caravels probably die to city fire + frigate fire (since the city has battleship fleet strength and the frigate has DoTF)...

[Woden]

Here is how I ended up at Australia/Russia...
   

Blocking both Borodino and Knyaz Suvurov.

Australia also did buy walls at He Was My Brother and took a good chunk out of my berserker. He retreated to heal and my battleship that I didn't need at Japan is heading over there.

[Woden]

Here is how I ended up...
   

I redlined one of his fleet battleships that you can reach with your frigate. See if you can kill it. If not, position the frigate NW of the caravel to prevent him from coming up from Asahi.

I killed a fleet caravel and 2 destroyers and redlined the battleship. I think that was the best I could do without leaving my self too exposed. I could have killed the battleship if I sacrificed a destroyer and left my northern flank open but I didn't think that was worth it.

Edit: Russia did finish a tech but I don't think it was Nuclear Fission. I don't think he had enough science pillages in the last few turns to complete it. He might be going for Plastics and finished Replaceable Parts , which is 1,500 instead of 1,776. I should be able to finish Nuclear Fission next turn. I can pillage the workshop and IZ at Navarin, a couple of mines, and maybe the campus at KS to pillage next turn.

[ljubljana]

Looks good! I'm a bit worried about an attack on your southern flank through Asahi after he kills my IC and caravel since he is otherwise not ZoC-blocked in the channel. Maybe I should move my ships back a couple tiles (towards your fleet) so they are out of range of the city and a bit harder to kill? If he has to use melee ships to kill them, he will block his own attack vectors against your BS by doing so.

Also, if necessary, I think my IC or caravel can hit the battleship too, which might be enough to kill even if the frigate fails.

Should I belatedly grab the Valletta suzereignty? Or should we wait until Australia actually has the faith to buy Medieval Walls in HWMB?

edit: God I hope Russia's going for Plastics, or even something like Flight that is still dangerous but off the nuke path. I guess it could still be Fission though if he was already close to CA when he killed your campus. He has also had two free science pillages at suboptimal's capital post-flip in addition to what he got in our lands....... 

[Woden]

I don't know about moving your ships. If it takes more than 1 shot to kill the ironclad, he may not be able to kill it. You move back and it gives him more attack vectors. I am not sure what to do here. I do expect to lose some battleships this turn, we just need to limit the loses.

Your frigate should be able to kill the battleship, it is hit pretty bad. If you can't kill it, don't attack it just in case it need 1 more attack for a promotion and whatever you do, don't use you caravel or ironclad, I need those to exert ZOC and force Russia to kill them instead if something else.

Next turn, I might consider retreating a bit and promoting. Most of my battleships without promotions gained them this turn and it might be better to retreat next turn. IDK, will have to see what happens. I will finish Nuclear Fission next turn. I think I can get Totalitarianism done in 3 turns, if the pillages are open.

Russia also hooked up another oil but it is guarded by a unit. If he moves the builder unprotected, I will grab and delete it. If he leaves the oil unguarded, I will pillage it. I did also find another privateer where I expected it. Might be others hanging around Freya too. Might need to upgrade the ICF to a destroyer next turn. I will run out of oil in 3 turns, so we need to clear out the Cossacks soon. My field cannon will be in play next turn and I will probably start fixing the GP if it is clear.

Edit: Actually, if you move your caravel back 1 tile NW and the ironclad 2 NW, he still will only have 2 attack vectors. That is probably worth it and you can get out of range of the city.

[ljubljana]

Ok, will do. What tile should I hit the BS from? Looks like 2NW of the BS, adjacent to the Chinese mainland, is a bit less defended than 2SW of the BS will be, so I'm leaning that way.



Believe it or not, I actually have a strength advantage against it, so I would be pretty astonished to miss the kill...

[Woden]

For Russia tech, I count 7 science pillages recently ((W)Odin's campus (3X), Tibbet's Brook campus (2X), Fort Lakton's IZ, and Illmatic's campus). At ~150 a piece, that is only 1,050 plus 3 turns of research at about the same rate (150). That is only 1,500. I don't see anything I am missing and not sure if the ones I listed were all used for whatever he finished or if he used any to finish CS. I just don't see it being NF. Am I missing something?

Edit: The north works for me.
Edit2: I seem to remember someone mentioning in PBEM18 that the gossip showed I started the MP or maybe it was when I finished. I didn't see anything this turn in the gossip.

[ljubljana]

He got two more in addition to those at suboptimal's capital after it flipped, which had a library and the campus itself, both pillaged now

I may swap the IC and caravel positions you proposed, if that's ok, just so the IC is slightly harder to attack from the east. Caravel will be one-shot by a destroyer no matter which one does it.

edit: Let us give thanks on this day for the little things in this life:



edit: As the expert pillager here I trust you would know the answer to this stupid question. Can you pillage the same tile twice in one turn with one unit if it has enough MP? I ask in reference to TCD's harbor, which I am 2 tiles away from with a 8 move frigate...