[68] Miguelito's famous last words, and Amicalola's sighs

[Ginger*]

AGG PACIFISM AGG PACIFISM AGG PACIFISM AGG PACIFISM
Gotta be Paya, right?

[Miguelito]

My recent message to Amica:

so, to put some order into all those pipedreams, what should we be doing during the next 20 turns or so? I see

1. catapults + CB push into Rome - we would have to attack over a river or walk all around the capital, and whip a bunch. Praets are still nasty. yuri might intefere. Something like 15 turns for construction at the current rate? Follow up with CoL->CS
   
2. infrastructure - Moai, Parthenon, Paya, TGL, MoM, epics, libraries in Brute and Hastur. We might want aesthetics before Maths (Parthenon will be immediately helpful) . Or we research Maths, keep the option of going constru, but if not pressured go calendar to secure MoM.
   

do I miss any other plan?
I kinda like 2) with aesthetics first, mostly because it's such a fun way to play Always War

Maths itself is pretty useless, we will have 1 forest left. I'm chopping the spice forest as I don't want to have a praet stack on it, or whatever yuri could unload
also, windmills or mines on the hills? Would like your opinion on that (if you can, log in and post signs )

[Amicalola]

I am getting back into the PB58 zone where I login and contribute (well, I like to think I do ), but don't really have anything meaningful to add here because Miguelito summarises my positions very well/efficiently already. So I will add that ToTheStrongest is my favourite of our city names.  



Edit: Oh, also, we have settled on no.2 with Aesthetics first, because it is exciting. Also also, windmills suck.

Edit2: Also also also, do we have plans to re-improve the furs? That seems like it would be helpful.

[Tarkeel]

I am getting back into the PB58 zone where I login and contribute (well, I like to think I do ), but don't really have anything meaningful to add here because Miguelito summarises my positions very well/efficiently already.

I seem to remember that wasn't the worst position to be in. Just remember that there's value in having someone come in and check your homework.

[Amicalola]

Our discussion gradually becomes 'Amica harrasses Miguelito about whipping and furs.' I figure if I wear down the host enough, I eventually get my way.

[Miguelito]

must... resist... temptation...


I'll dutifully bulb machinery and will not rush pyramids. Didn't even finsh the Masonry tech that we begun and then cancelled long ago, so as not to make it unbearable. I suppose yuri gets it then, and that wiill be hard to compete with, but having gone to lengths to research monarchy and revolted just recently it would have little value over denial. Had we anticipated that they would still be unbuilt at this point then maybe we would have planned differently.

Btw Amica, if we weren't so busy building actual stuff we could get some nice 75% bonified failgold out of there, do you see where we'd do that? Maybe Hastur? Would still need to finish the masonry tech.
I have never built failgold purposefully in any game of civ and feel like I'm missing out. But some crossbows would also make some sense.


I didn't finish the above report yesterday, so this is from the current turn:




Demos before we start a new whipping campaign. On the menu: 3pop-library into barracks in Brute and lighthouse in Vivo! for just 1pop, as there was nothing useful to put the overflow towards - Vivo! will build Paya, and I figured the pop will be more useful for when we have the tech. We could whip a trireme into the wonder, but then we'd be at low pop again, so it would likely be delayed as compared to slowbuilding. Next turn up is another 3pop library in Hastur (a turn late to help with the tech but hopefully still useful), and the granary in To The Strongest. That little thing will then need a tatara and barracks, and after that can do units, for likely for the rest of the game. Depends on when that is whether the investment ever pays off.

Our discussion gradually becomes 'Amica harrasses Miguelito about whipping and furs.'  I figure if I wear down the host enough, I eventually get my way.

First time ever somebody calls me a lazy whipper. But yes it shall be.

[Ginger*]

 bad!
Think of all the lost tile yields! 
Graph go down! 

[Miguelito]

Brute has 4th ring now. Pretty sure we're getting that sugar of Commodore's at least for a while (unless he gets third ring soon from his 2cult totem pole.... haven't calculated when that happens). Definitely some of the coast, and I think the hill by the capital is also falling medium term, which will of course be very useful for the vision.




yuri has launched a GA, but at 100% we're still beating his GNP . Well that is probably with him at 0%, otherwise the academy would surely overshadow our research. We have been discussing a bit what the purpose of the GA might be. He switched to Hindu and OR, and I suppose he will get HR or a mids civic as well. But crucially he is not in caste, which also means that his GP generation is slowing down, as he is still limited to just 2 scientist slots per city, and his next one comes at 400 GPP.
So what could be the wider purpose of the GA?

1. he just really wants these civics + religion without anarchy
   
2. he's building catapults to eat Rome when the GA is over
   
3. Amica suggested that he'll build wonders. He has no aesthetics yet, but if it falls in the next few turns we'd actually have stiff competition.
   

[Miguelito]

Operation: Always arts underway.
We were the first to Aesthetics*, and yuri this turn revolted to HR, so hopefully he was busy with monarchy (he's in GA so may have done monarchy and now be on his way to Aesthetics). Anyways, I don't think there is much competition for either wonder, unless we get Commodored or something meanwhile. Parthenon gives yuri diminishing returns, and he already researched Monotheism so Paya is also less useful, plus he will finish his GA without it (otoh a second GA is not too far out for him).

*pretty tightly, as you can see from our 0 gold treasury - I had to fit in Polytheism when I realized that it's required for Parthenon. Amica knew but didn't expect my incompetence


The big question will be if we can pull off TGL in Brute. Maybe we should have switched and put Parthenon there and rush TGL in the capital, but I'm greedy as always and want Brute as the perfect GP city. I'll set up two whips, although a proper chain is difficult, as the most expensive build is a 60h crossbow.

If this works out we'll be making (many) more GPP than yuri . And anyways the epics are fantastic for us, with +100% production from Ind. NE goes to Brute, and More Light should get the HE.

After that we can (slowly) start thinking about building some units that might eventually step outside our borders. After a long hard look at the tech tree I now have realized that my idea of getting Civil Service ahead of Mathematics will not quite work out  (it's a prereq, who knew).
The idea was to make the path after literature depend on what GP comes out of More Light - with a GE I'd probably want to rush MoM (or mids if yuri keeps ignoring it ), but a GM could bulb CS - but now I realize that that not only requires Maths but also Alphabet. So the bulb just saves some 700 beakers instead of a thousand. Getting access to spies would not be the worst thing, but isn't overly relevant. The tech rush might still be worth it though?
But also good to know that we'll do Maths next either way. And most likely Construction after that is the smartest thing to do, however boring.

Also Brute is unhealthy again! See Amica, would have been much smarter to send the workers north to connect the pig, instead of having them re-camp the furs. Luckily the city gets whipped in the not so far future. 4-5 turns to Literature at break even, so 4 should be attainable with growth and dedication.

[Miguelito]

Commodore is sending two 4move galleys (+2 triremes and a regular galley), nothing on land. If that's it it's silly and he's not getting anywhere, but of course our proud C2 trireme lost flawlessly at 67% percent . That's bullshit, but I also should've kept my temper.
I mostly proceeded as planned anyways. Sending back some ships that were intended for a naval surprise against yuri, but I just scouted and the garrison was too much anyways, as Amica had warned me.