[PB65 LURKERS] We lurk in single-file to hide our numbers

[Amicalola]

I think Tarkeel is right that it's the only thing to do, but personally I think it's a pretty big deal. I would be inclined to suggest only logging on your turn itself, unless there's some other problem with that (I haven't really thought about it)

[Qgqqqqq]

I really, really struggle to understand Pin's logic. He thinks Cornflakes is winning, but he's so suspicious of MJMD and won't take any steps to cooperate with him.

[Ginger*]

Well it’s over now, we’re just waiting for Mjmd’s concession

[Zed-F]

I really, really struggle to understand Pin's logic. He thinks Cornflakes is winning, but he's so suspicious of MJMD and won't take any steps to cooperate with him.

Because every time Pin has made even tentative steps toward friendliness or cooperation against Cornflakes, Mjmd has defected. Since neither of them have been able to trust one another all game, this is the result. Pin’s view of Mjmd as untrustworthy has thus far been justified. Mind you, it was also a self-fulfilling prophecy, but clearly Mjmd would have made sure that prophecy was fulfilled anyway, so he bears as much responsibility for their inability to work together.

[Ginger*]

I really, really struggle to understand Pin's logic. He thinks Cornflakes is winning, but he's so suspicious of MJMD and won't take any steps to cooperate with him.

Because every time Pin has made even tentative steps toward friendliness or cooperation against Cornflakes, Mjmd has defected. Since neither of them have been able to trust one another all game, this is the result. Pin’s view of Mjmd as untrustworthy has thus far been justified. Mind you, it was also a self-fulfilling prophecy, but clearly Mjmd would have made sure that prophecy was fulfilled anyway, so he bears as much responsibility for their inability to work together.

I think Pindicator has been trying to exercise choice of friends in a situation where there was no choice in the matter

[Qgqqqqq]

It's the inconsistency that I struggle with. I can understand not reading the game right - I can certainly be guilty of that. But reading CFs position correctly and then not having that dominate his understanding of geopolitics (I.e. dogpile or death) baffles me. Mind you, MJMD seems similarly guilty - the real killer play of CF was turning thr two against one another 50 odd turns ago.

[Commodore]

It's very human. Pin and MJMD have done unto each other small injuries, something far far more enraging than merely bullying and existential invasions.

[Miguelito]

So,  the timeline as I have it is:

• Pin and Mj coexist during expansion.  mjmd' s cultural pressure is annoying to pin, but that's Cre
  
• Pin eats most of Bing (And does all the work), Mjmd nibbles a bit at the margins and takes two cities for himself
  
• Cornflakes sends chariots through pindi's territory and taxes an unguarded city or two of Mjmd's. pin even helps him, building some roads. 
  
• Corn sends anl modest attack stack on Mjmd's border city,  Mj tries to hold
  
• Pin snipes two (?) Mjmd cities from the Inca conquest
  
• Mjmd is enraged by the backstab, abandons his defense against corn and gives him peace with significant concessions <- this is the moment when Corn turns from leader to pretty much won the game
  
• Mjmd does some attack (don't remember) on pin, eventually they make peace with more or less status quo ante, but they both hate each other deeply now
  

... which to me appears that pindicator first backstabbed Mjmd,  who was fighting the game leader, and then got furious when Mjmd responded.  And ever since he's been banging on  on how crazy it is for Mjmd to fight him when Cornflakes is the clear game leader. Which is precisely what he himself did,  when in fact Mjmd already had taken up the fight??

So in this story pin is the clear villain, who is totally oblivious as to how his own actions caused the mess they're in. But that sounds a bit absurd,  so probably there's an episode of that story that I'm missing? Of course that's a question directed as well towards pindicator for after the game's over (tomorrow?)

Also,  what a masterful, creative and entertaining game by Cornflakes.  finally one where all the evil plans come to fruition.
I long thought that Arabia had a lot of untapped potential,  but in a regular pick it's difficult to  justify the techs.  He really brought it home here.

[Amicalola]

So,  the timeline as I have it is:

• Pin and Mj coexist during expansion.  mjmd' s cultural pressure is annoying to pin, but that's Cre
  
• Pin eats most of Bing (And does all the work), Mjmd nibbles a bit at the margins and takes two cities for himself
  
• Cornflakes sends chariots through pindi's territory and taxes an unguarded city or two of Mjmd's. pin even helps him, building some roads. 
  
• Corn sends anl modest attack stack on Mjmd's border city,  Mj tries to hold
  
• Pin snipes two (?) Mjmd cities from the Inca conquest
  
• Mjmd is enraged by the backstab, abandons his defense against corn and gives him peace with significant concessions <- this is the moment when Corn turns from leader to pretty much won the game
  
• Mjmd does some attack (don't remember) on pin, eventually they make peace with more or less status quo ante, but they both hate each other deeply now
  

... which to me appears that pindicator first backstabbed Mjmd,  who was fighting the game leader, and then got furious when Mjmd responded.  And ever since he's been banging on  on how crazy it is for Mjmd to fight him when Cornflakes is the clear game leader. Which is precisely what he himself did,  when in fact Mjmd already had taken up the fight??

So in this story pin is the clear villain, who is totally oblivious as to how his own actions caused the mess they're in. But that sounds a bit absurd,  so probably there's an episode of that story that I'm missing? Of course that's a question directed as well towards pindicator for after the game's over (tomorrow?)

Also,  what a masterful, creative and entertaining game by Cornflakes.  finally one where all the evil plans come to fruition.
I long thought that Arabia had a lot of untapped potential,  but in a regular pick it's difficult to  justify the techs.  He really brought it home here.

This sums up remarkably my own thoughts as well, down to the feeling that I've missed something because of the apparent absurdity.

[Kaiser]

I remember pindicator being annoyed by MJMD pillaging cottages in fomer bing land which where in his sphere of influence but not yet covered by culture.
The many small injuries between the two led to them preferring cornflakes winning over the other, that has been some remarkable diplomacy by conrflakes.