PB71: Lurkers dwell in blissful ignorance

[Magic Science]

Objective tier list.

Bing.
Commodore.
Krill.
Pindicator.
Superdeath.
Thoth.
Yuris.

[Mjmd]

@Magic do you really have Bing #1? He has gotten better but he is still probably on the lower end.

To note I believe Cornflakes teamed up with SD again which I think pushes SD to tier 2 for Scooters list.

[El Grillo]

It seems to me that Magic Science's list is (objectively) alphabetically ordered.

[Qgqqqqq]

I've been surprised at Thoths performance recently. I remember him being very impressive in FFH2 games. Not sure if I'm misremembering, if there are different skills, or if he pays less attention these days.

[Magic Science]

Lots of Mystical hut-dwellers out there in this game.

[Mjmd]

I wonder if Pins start would be better if he switched from warrior / scout to the other one while growing to two. He is talking about working settler on size 1 which seems wrong.

[Magic Science]

Superdeath is missing a Cow NE of the Corn and a Crab SE of the Corn, but the Crab is only accessible from an island, and his situation is still pretty grim.
What do you even do here? Attack with AGG/CHA Keshiks? Oracle Machinery, discover Monarchy normally, make a Serfdom Lumbermill Windmill lakeside Farm paradise?
Of course Superdeath would choose to attack, but I'm not sure he's wrong. What else can he do?

[scooter]

I don't remember what the land outside the fog looks like, so I'm answering purely on that screenshot. My thought process would be something like..


1) Scout west and along the coast asap and pray one of those expansion paths are viable.

2) Consider a Colossus play if it’s at all possible. He's got 12 lake tiles within 6 tiles of his capital, and making all of those 2/0/3 would be super helpful on such a commerce-starved map. That doesn’t even count all the coast, which he can already see 6. That’s 18 2/0/3 tiles with a pair of Lighthouses. If the scouting mentioned in #1 turns up more coastline, even better. Finally, if I could expect overall tech pace to be slow here, I could reasonably guess Astronomy would be “late” therefore giving even more mileage from Colossus. The Metal Casting priority is also boosted by the Silver presence which can be doubled with a Forge if he finds himself cramped for happy.

3) If he’s close to a neighbor, Keshiks seem pretty great on this map, and I don’t think it’s a crazy fallback at all.


The tricky thing is 2 and 3 are fairly difficult to square and you sort of have to pick one. You’d have to filter those through scouting and neighbors too of course.

TL;DR: I guess I would be trying to determine if I could get to Metal Casting for Colossus quickly enough, and/or if Oracling it is viable, and if not, let's go Keshik somebody.

[Mjmd]

I think random games really test people on "what path to take". In a lusher balanced hand crafted map there are more viable paths. On a random map you have to roll more with "what does the map say".

Am I shocked SD seems to be defaulting to keshiks........ Not at all.

[Mjmd]

Q, Commodore does have copper right?