[PB70] The Cartographic Correction Committee convenes

[Magic Science]

The Golden Age was worth 102 gold per turn?

And did you revolt to Police State at the end?

Tech advisor screenshot please. The beeline must have made that screen very interesting.

[scooter]

The Golden Age was worth 102 gold per turn?

Right around there, yeah. Reality is I wasn't left with much population after that war and only popped the GA to get Theocracy + Bureaucracy and a production boost to stabilize things before more fighting kicked off.

And did you revolt to Police State at the end?

I did not. I debated, and revolting to it probably would have been better, but I still did not. The reasons:

* I'm really dependent on Rep happiness right now because I have 3-5 whip anger in a ton of cities right now. It would send quite a bit of pop into unhappiness. I also can't get my hands on luxuries because SD/Charriu don't have any duplicates because Mjmd settled them all. This is not enough to offset the Police State value, but it matters a bit.

* If the game were to be extended, I do eventually need to get my hands on some teching ability. So I'm still pretty dependent on Rep for that. I'm currently limping towards Construction on 0% research.

* Most importantly, I don't think I can actually contribute too much to any wars because I think Mjmd will have Frigates soon. I can produce a few more Galleons from Police State, but I can’t exactly sail them across the ocean to just get sunk. I'm like 40 turns from Frigates if I go to PS.

Tech advisor screenshot please. The beeline must have made that screen very interesting.

I’ll try to get this next turn. Like I said, limping towards Construction while owning 30 Galleons and building Privateers is sure a thing.

[scooter]

Here's that tech screen.




Keep in mind I just finished Calendar and Civil Service in the last 10-12ish turns, so this looked even funnier before then. Everything left of this is teched (but also HBR was not teched until recently too), and off screen to the right is Astronomy completed. When I finished Astro, it looked like this minus Gunpowder, HBR, CS, and Calendar. And honestly I'm pretty convinced it would have worked if not for Mjmd feeling the need to be a snake. Now, I'm not sure it would have worked enough because if he could just tech Astro during that time and finish it like 2T after me, then he was going to demolish Charriu probably faster than I would have demolished Bing, and I still would have been behind. The fatal flaw in this plan was that it leaves a lot of first-to goodies everywhere, and Mjmd just got all of them because nobody else could or did bother.





I predict a concession soon. There will be an attempt it seems, but I would be surprised if it works. Once Frigates appear all I can really do is hole up in my cities. This will be a good lesson for a couple players in the dangers of One More Tech Syndrome. Look at the "375AD" on the graph and remember it was slightly before then I tried to organize the 3v1. Look at the relative graphs. Did waiting for some more techs make the job easier or harder?

[scooter]

Registering this guess now - I'm think Superdeath may be about to stab me. If he does, they can find another player. Subbing into a diplo game that was never supposed to be permanent and getting inexplicably NAP-stabbed twice including once after helping him get his Cuir upgrades faster would be beyond my threshold of willingness continue. I gave serious thought to doing it back when Mjmd did his snake thing, but I pressed on. If he does, it may be the second death of diplo games here at RB.

Very possible I'm wrong on this, but we'll see. Just feels like his Cuirs are not positioned correctly to join this turn, while they are positioned to turn on me. If the plan goes on, the dogpile is commencing now. It'll either succeed and throw the game wide open, or more likely it will fail and we'll all concede by Friday.

[scooter]

Registering this guess now - I'm think Superdeath may be about to stab me. If he does, they can find another player. Subbing into a diplo game that was never supposed to be permanent and getting inexplicably NAP-stabbed twice including once after helping him get his Cuir upgrades faster would be beyond my threshold of willingness continue. I gave serious thought to doing it back when Mjmd did his snake thing, but I pressed on. If he does, it may be the second death of diplo games here at RB.

Very possible I'm wrong on this, but we'll see. Just feels like his Cuirs are not positioned correctly to join this turn, while they are positioned to turn on me. If the plan goes on, the dogpile is commencing now. It'll either succeed and throw the game wide open, or more likely it will fail and we'll all concede by Friday.

I'm sorry I doubted you Superdeath.

07/11/2023 19:49:53 159 Superdeath logged out
07/11/2023 19:49:43 159 Superdeath score decreased to 1588 (-14)
07/11/2023 19:49:13 159 Superdeath score decreased to 1602 (-20)
07/11/2023 19:48:32 159 Superdeath score decreased to 1622 (-13)
07/11/2023 19:48:12 159 Superdeath score decreased to 1635 (-20)
07/11/2023 19:48:01 159 Superdeath score decreased to 1655 (-14)
07/11/2023 19:47:41 159 Superdeath score decreased to 1669 (-13)
07/11/2023 19:47:00 159 Superdeath finished turn
07/11/2023 19:47:00 159 Superdeath score increased to 1682 (+47)
07/11/2023 19:45:59 159 Superdeath score decreased to 1635 (-14)
07/11/2023 19:25:20 159 Mjmd score decreased to 2220 (-39)
07/11/2023 19:19:14 159 Superdeath logged in

Of course, it turns out that the cause of his units being placed like this were because his expectation for declaration order didn't match mine and/or Charrius. Naturally that makes much more sense because coordinating this thing has been painfully annoying which is probably obvious to anyone following along. I've felt like I've been herding sheep for a month. But it's on, I guess.

[scooter]

Not a ton to report as most of the action is via Discord. Because this fight waited so long I’m largely outclassed on the water. I’m trying to put what little pressure I can on. I think I can retake my islands, but not much more, and even then I’m not sure I can hold them easily. The bigger task is keeping the coalition together as naturally Mjmd is already leaning on that. And of course, he held the turn for 36 hours to give himself more time, but whatever. Superdeath is all-in. Say what you want about him, but the guy commits to war. Being all-in can cover a multitude of sins. Charriu on the other hand is already getting cold feet 1 turn in it seems like?





“Superdeath will be the big winner of this conflict I think” WELL WHOSE FAULT IS THAT.

I just watched Superdeath whip away an enormous percentage of his population to get a stack of Cuirs. During that time Charriu whipped/drafted like 8 Muskets. I think he sunk more hammers into Universities than Muskets. And now you’re concerned SD is going to gain too much? His power was lower than yours when you agreed on this plan. He also could have had Guilds by now, but instead Charriu teched Constitution, and SD saw him teching Democracy. So like, yeah boohoo, he’s going to capture more than you. Next time build military. (Side note: a similar issue of this was probably going to come up if the Bing fight went through as I was providing like 85% of the military and was bracing for him to be concerned that I was going to keep the vast majority of the spoils.)


Anyway, doing my best to keep him on board regardless. Mjmd has a real problem with SD, and if his attention can be split multiple ways, the damage done to him might be pretty real.

[scooter]

Alright, I've been nursing a short stack for awhile now. I've got a pair of 10s in my hand. Time to push the chips in and live with what happens.





It's not much. By my calculations if he does NOT reinforce, I likely burn this, but if he reinforces, it's a suicide mission. However, SD has a million Cuirs attacking the other two cities on this front, so he will have to choose what to save. Those boats might all be dead too. If you notice I'm -30g at 0% science so who cares if I lose some units honestly. But what's the fun in one ill-advised gambit?





I wonder how many of those boats are empty and how many are full? Good luck deciding how to allocate your boats.





And one more front. I'm gonna lose some Galleons for sure. However, I have 30 total. As long as he doesnt have a big stack of Frigates in one of like 3 tiles, he's going to have to make some challenging decisions. And he definitely might have that, to be clear.


Charriu is bottled up on one front and SD is advancing but iffy on the other. SD was able to see Mjmd unload a bunch of Maces onto his mainland. So, this is the best chance I'm going to get. If he wipes or successfully answers all of it, so be it. What's the worst that could happen. I already conceded pending the others.

[scooter]

A word on diplo. Mjmd had a brief talk with me last night. Figured I should give some context on my thinking.





He's trying to keep our war phony. He could have easily killed a few boats of mine last turn, but he did not.





The path to LiverpoolJudies was left open because he was pretty convinced I was setting up to retake my islands. Privateers confirmed that he left just one Frigate in the path, which I killed at the cost of one Privateer that was able to pre-scout it thanks to Sentry.





The one mistake Mjmd is making here is thinking I care if Superdeath wins this game. Of course, I'd prefer to win myself, but if I have to choose between one of the two of them winning I'm picking Superdeath 10 times out of 10. Taking peace for those islands would inherently be a concession. Mjmd could stall the fight out by land, and he could use those 10T to sail down the coast and burn every SD/Charriu coastal city in sight unopposed. Then if the game was still going, he could just come right back at me 10T later. There's just no way I was ever going to accept this. I'm curious if these attempts from him are "can't hurt to try" or if he actually had hopes it might work.


To be clear, I think Mjmd will fend this off and win still. But he's starting to make little mistakes that make me wonder. One other diplo note, Charriu said this to me today when I asked on his progress.

Mjmd pretty much stopped me with a lot of defenders, but that was to be expected since I was tasked to distract and bind his forces

I'll be less snippy this time, but for future reference, this is straight-up untrue. You were tasked with conquering, same as Superdeath. The difference is you did not build enough to do so, so now you've retroactively decided you are just the sideshow. That is not anyone else's fault. The same problem was likely to happen in the Bing 2v1 that never happened. Build more units next time.

[scooter]

Mjmd pretty much stopped me with a lot of defenders, but that was to be expected since I was tasked to distract and bind his forces

I'll be less snippy this time, but for future reference, this is straight-up untrue. You were tasked with conquering, same as Superdeath. The difference is you did not build enough to do so, so now you've retroactively decided you are just the sideshow. That is not anyone else's fault. The same problem was likely to happen in the Bing 2v1 that never happened. Build more units next time.

To expand on this, there's an alternate universe here where Charriu whips/drafts himself silly like SD did and fields a similarly sized army. Mjmd looks at the numbers and knows he's toast. This results in him throwing everything at the person who NAP-stabbed him rather than the one who had reasons to want revenge. This in turn results in Charriu walking into mostly empty cities while SD bears the brunt.


But Charriu didn't do that, so now we're in a dicey war where even 3v1 may not be enough.

[scooter]

Superdeath sent me this picture.





Sometimes you just gotta get an extra 10bpt during the middle of a game deciding war I guess. As far as we can tell he’s basically not whipping whatsoever - drafting only and even that is limited.