American Politics Discussion Thread

[Mjmd]

And then we have former US House Speaker Pelosi (83) running for re-election to Congress, and that other guy who freezes all the time...

How these old folks hold on to power, are there no one in America? Or something is wrong with the system?

Oh Pelosi is a clear case of democrats should oust her the heck out for corruption. Its minor (IE its not technically illegal, but it for sure as heck should be), so its tier 3. 

There are things wrong with the system, but at a lot of it inertia. Really need a higher voter turnout in primaries. I would also loved ranked choice voting.

[Mjmd]

Oh I agree America has been doing some back sliding. The difference is we can protest and vote and hopefully prevent further back sliding.

You say that while actively telling people their priority should be to vote for the party and people responsible for the legislative backsliding.

So the Democrats are kicking people out of their party for not following the lies of a person who tried to overthrow our democracy? Are Democrats passing new voter restrictions to deny votes to people?

[greenline]

The Democrats are working on building a direct state media apparatus, much similar to the ones used by the CCP and Russian media: https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-su...timony.pdf
(A strange move, given that large news outlets already functioned this way, but I guess there's no kill like overkill!)
The Democrats are currently working overtime to imprison their most popular political opponent to keep him from running. If I were to name a similar move by an authoritarian country in recent years, it would be Putin imprisoning Navalny!

Trump doesn't hold much respect for a contested election year - but he's still committed to running again legally. The Democrats don't hold much respect for at least giving the appearance of a government that might be altered by its citizens.

[Dreylin]

So Trump shouldn't be investigated and tried for his alleged crimes because he's running for President?

[greenline]

So Trump shouldn't be investigated and tried for his alleged crimes because he's running for President?

The precedent is that they occasionally get tried and let off easily if at all - as most recently seen with Hillary Clinton. Many more presidents and congressmen and supreme court justices before Trump have committed crimes just as heinous or worse. And this is not unusual - every civilization has possessed an elite class who gets off easy from crimes compared to the average citizen. The intent to imprison Trump for his crimes is clearly a move aimed at centralizing power and suppressing dissent as it was when Putin arrested Navanly. That Navanly might very well have been guilty of what he was arrested for should not fool you that he was an opposition leader who was imprisoned for being out of line, so why not apply critical thinking here at home as well?

[superdeath]

So Trump shouldn't be investigated and tried for his alleged crimes because he's running for President?

The precedent is that they occasionally get tried and let off easily if at all - as most recently seen with Hillary Clinton. Many more presidents and congressmen and supreme court justices before Trump have committed crimes just as heinous or worse. And this is not unusual - every civilization has possessed an elite class who gets off easy from crimes compared to the average citizen. The intent to imprison Trump for his crimes is clearly a move aimed at centralizing power and suppressing dissent as it was when Putin arrested Navanly. That Navanly might very well have been guilty of what he was arrested for should not fool you that he was an opposition leader who was imprisoned for being out of line, so why not apply critical thinking here at home as well?

Im kinda curious what crimes were as bad (or worse!) as Trumps (alleged) crimes?

[Dreylin]

I love it when someone on the internet says to someone else who disagrees with them some variation on "think for yourself / do the research / think critically" with the automatic assumption that a) they are not already doing that already, and b) if they did (more of) it, then they'd suddenly agree with everything that they had previously disagreed with.

[greenline]

Im kinda curious what crimes were as bad (or worse!) as Trumps (alleged) crimes?

We have wiretapping and covering up break ins, perjury and having sex with interns on the job, bribery, selling weapons to hostile nations to fund drug armies in Central America, and who can forget, internment camps, to name a few. Undoubtedly there are many more such crimes which will only be unearthed many years from now. To think Trump's case is unusually dangerous or worthy of legal retribution is to not know the modern history of this nation.

[Mjmd]

So Trump shouldn't be investigated and tried for his alleged crimes because he's running for President?

The precedent is that they occasionally get tried and let off easily if at all - as most recently seen with Hillary Clinton. Many more presidents and congressmen and supreme court justices before Trump have committed crimes just as heinous or worse. And this is not unusual - every civilization has possessed an elite class who gets off easy from crimes compared to the average citizen. The intent to imprison Trump for his crimes is clearly a move aimed at centralizing power and suppressing dissent as it was when Putin arrested Navanly. That Navanly might very well have been guilty of what he was arrested for should not fool you that he was an opposition leader who was imprisoned for being out of line, so why not apply critical thinking here at home as well?

Im kinda curious what crimes were as bad (or worse!) as Trumps (alleged) crimes?

I'm also curious.

I mean Trump did try to overturn the election. You know the whole pressuring everyone to overturn the results without a shred of proof. Its not like we don't have phone calls and tweets for evidence or anything. Its just if they can find 12 people willing to actually look at the evidence. I want to stress, this kind of behavior is not something the public should allow even if he is found innocent. I've said before there are two pillars of democracy. The transfer of power and accountability. If we can't hold him accountable at the ballot box we will fall.

I also haven't heard Biden constantly chanting "Lock him up" or constantly pressuring the DOJ by threatening to fire people. Its like he doesn't know how to be president at all!

There is no evidence of the DOJ being pressured by Democrats. Certainly there is far more evidence of Republicans pressuring them NOT to. I fully support holding all accountable to the law. Republicans claim to be the part of the constitution and law and order and then just abandon that when an R is in front of someones name recently. Not all Republicans. There are a few with spines still, but very few and that is what worries me. With Nixon and watergate eventually the Republican leadership said enough. That isn't happening this time.

[Mjmd]

Didn't see your most recent post. None of those rises to trying to overthrow a democracy, but yes those are all bad things. I find two most common logical fallacies in politics to be Tu Quo Que and Equality. IE you too do bad things. And just ignoring that one thing is worst than the other.