[spoilers] Now, Commodore Frogger, roll those 71 dice

[Thoth]

Thoth is pushing with these penny-packets. I'm cleaning efficiently, but it's a good job slowing me down.

That was the point. Slow you down, cause attritional damage, and reduce your catapult stack down to a manageable size.

Every turn I delayed you meant another Barrage 3 cat out of Random Killing plus what I was builing/whipping out of my remaining cities. I just barely got to critical mass of cats as it was.


So I went 2/2 on taking out unstoppable Doom Stacks this game and 0/2 on spotting incoming Doom Stacks before hitting end turn. Too focused elsewhere both times.


Just out of curiosity: How many exp did that knight get for killing a healthy Pike behind castle walls at the start of the invasion? I figured he'd be good for 1-2 dead knights, had to laugh when I saw the log.

[Krill]

Changelog for my reference:

Sumeria: The Wheel/Agriculture. UB: Courthouse replacement: Ziggarut. Available at Writing. Cost 90. UU: axe replacement. Vulture. Strength 6. 25% bonus against melee. 5% bonus against axemen.

Seriously, what the hell Krill? Sumer was a superb top-tier civilization in base game, why buff the UU and MAKE THE EXCELLENT UB AVAILABLE AT WRITING??? The only awkward thing before was having to spend the small cost of Myst->Med->Priesthood to get the discount courthouses. Now it's on the simple default path.

FWIW you were completely wrong about the Ziggs mattering as much as they did. By the time I was able to build them in most cities, I could have researched CoL easily enough (by around T120). Before then I built three Ziggs, but even then, they only saved 37.5% city maintenance, or around 5gpt at T110 (at the time of Pindicator and your attacks). And I'm not sure how great the vultures were, they only came into play in three battles: the free C1 helped so much more.

AGG was the main reason that city maintenance was more manageable, saving 25% on each city with no input, and EXP helped the growth curve and costs more: I was able to fit in Currency before Construction and still get the units to manage Pindicators invasion. Half cost markets were generally a better pay back in terms of managing tech rate, but sometimes I favoured Ziggs for the EP and the longer term benefits, but if I had a different civ it would not have been that challenging to fit markets in instead of Ziggs in those cities.

Oh, and when you accepted peace during your invasion: there was only one vulture on the forest you had to break through.

Furthermore, a comment to the lurkers: The bizarre discussion about Holkans and PB63 in posts 111 through 122 seems to come up every game, and I don't get how hard is it to understand that in PB63, there was only one mistake and that was not settling on copper. The late settler wasn't a mistake growing to size 6 wasn't a misplay, it enabled much faster start. Going Bronze Working before AH on a map where every player bordered Maya is a classic trap, when other starts had higher yield none AH food. It gets tiring that no one seems to grasp one mistake does not invalidate the previous decision making.

On a similar note, Commodore, how do you feel after the game about the absurdly early Oracle play? It feels to me like that play alone kept you in the whole that you started in. And just why did you attack Superdeath and raze his third city? That was the trigger for me breaking out, until that point I needed to maintain double the power of anyone else before I could make any aggressive moves.

[pindicator]

"Superdeath North"...ROTFLMAO. My stomach hurts now.

I deserved that with how I played this game