[PB72] Bing Thread

[BING_XI_LAO]

146 culture from Steadfastness, almost lost that one tile of railroad to enemy culture

[BING_XI_LAO]

here's hoping he doesn't raze it with guerilla 2s of his own!

[BING_XI_LAO]

aforementioned road got razed by Fighters anyway, I assumed only bombers could do that. Greenline attacked Creation and got mauled really badly, most of my defenders survived (18 of 24 machine guns iirc)
but all defenders are so injured they can't defend against Aetryn Marines and tanks coming in behind, so I retreated.

[BING_XI_LAO]

I'm ready to concede, but don't mind playing on for fun either.

[Tarkeel]

Oh, also I have a turnsplit question. Should I deliberately play after Greenline while expecting an imminent attack as that's the current peacetime turnsplit?

Or should I just play at any time?

It's not your responsibility to avoid a double move in this scenario, if that's what you're asking. Do what you want, it's the job of the one declaring war to avoid this.

One small addendum to what scooter said: You should avoid double-moving only if it would give you an advantage: ie stuff like double-moving your troops away from scouts that are tracking them. In general it's best to just play your turn as soon as able.

[greenline]

Actually this exposes him strategically. I don't think he had a border with Aetryn before, now he very much does and Aetryn doesn't have a border with me. So Greenline is the only person Aetryn can attack in future. Greenline is also the only person I can attack in future.

This turned out to be a prescient quote indeed...

I didn't realize you had spent over 10000 gold on unit upgrades. That explains how you were able to get such a doomstack in such a short amount of time.

But from a strategic point of view it was very frustrating to play against. You were playing the game against me like a duel. A duel you would have won due to tactical outplays and better unit composition, but from my point of view it was obvious that you were giving Aetryn free reign to get several key techs ahead, finish industrializing, grab Xist's land, and dominate the game. My lead on Aetryn before your buildup was slim at best, and he was going to be the player I would most likely attack.

Do you think you would have had a better shot at victory teching while letting me and Aetryn fight it out?

[aetryn]

Did Xist actually save me from a 30-unit-strong Aetryn invasion, lol? Will be interesting to go and read threads after game has concluded.

Nope, this was just a force retreating from a naive thrust south that wanted some defensive terrain. Was puzzled why you killed the remains of the stack but if Xist paid you for it I guess that makes sense.

[BING_XI_LAO]

Actually this exposes him strategically. I don't think he had a border with Aetryn before, now he very much does and Aetryn doesn't have a border with me. So Greenline is the only person Aetryn can attack in future. Greenline is also the only person I can attack in future.

This turned out to be a prescient quote indeed...

I didn't realize you had spent over 10000 gold on unit upgrades. That explains how you were able to get such a doomstack in such a short amount of time.

But from a strategic point of view it was very frustrating to play against. You were playing the game against me like a duel. A duel you would have won due to tactical outplays and better unit composition, but from my point of view it was obvious that you were giving Aetryn free reign to get several key techs ahead, finish industrializing, grab Xist's land, and dominate the game. My lead on Aetryn before your buildup was slim at best, and he was going to be the player I would most likely attack.

Do you think you would have had a better shot at victory teching while letting me and Aetryn fight it out?

I have a background playing strategy games that don't have anything like as much emphasis on internal development (dom5, AoW1), so i have so far consistently underrated internal development and the cost of attacking in my civ4 games. i was really surprised that Aetryn got like 4x the gdp than me before attacking, had totally underrated, or rather not even thought about, "I need a corp HQ with Wall street in it". Sorry!

(If I had razed Creation, would the HQ have migrated to one of my established towns?)

[El Grillo]

Nope, the corp HQ would be gone forever, just like razing a religion's holy city. Cities that already had the corp would continue to have it, and you could continue to build executives and spread it further, but the HQ effect of earning gold per city with the corp would be lost.

[greenline]

I don't think Corp HQs migrate, no. It would just be a corp with no HQ, like there can be religions with no holy city.