American Politics Discussion Thread

[Charr Babies]

China has Rockets. Their aircraft is sub-par. Barely better than Russia's. The only Air Superiority that China would have in such a conflict would be exactly that, Rockets. You can resupply Taiwan. China isnt going to Cuban missile crisis Taiwan. Providing the USA doesnt go to war over Taiwan anyway. China hasnt fought any kind of meaningful war since what? WW2? The USA has been at war... Alot. The last modern war we fought was the Iraq war. Iraq was something like the 4th? 5th? Strongest military power at the time, and a mostly USA coalition had them demolished. Cant say that wasnt a modern war. Afghanistan ect, its fair to say that isnt/wasnt one.

"""Besides, war is about economy and production capabilities. How much debt is us in already? China can produce at 1/5 of our cost and at least twice our pace. Does the us have enough rare earth in inventory to replenish equipment loss?""""

USA has a bigger Economy. Production capability as far as? Total war USA. Building all kinds of random stuff? China. Building Military outside of Total War? USA.  China's 1/5 our production cost (if u believe that) is very typical when you build sub-par equipment compared to your rival. AND if you believe that China makes the same quality of Aircraft/ect as the USA... then i wont discus military matters with you any longer. They have been known to steal/"find" USA blueprints and build copycats. Also to close this off, while the USA doesnt have a ton of rare earth metals, it does have enough to win a fight against China, however bloody it would be.


Not trying to say China isnt capable of defending against the USA on a purely defensive homefront based encounter, But outside of their rocket range they stand no chance. And any attempt to attack Taiwan would end tragically for many reasons.

NEWS FLASH
Canadians, (you know, that little country north of our border) most of them don't live in igloos anymore. And some of them can even afford snowshoes so they don't have to walk to school barefooted 

We have already established no one wins and you are still trying to prove you have a bigger dick!   WoW, BIG DICK 

Neither one of us brought up Canada last i checked. No shit they dont live in igloos, ect. Im not brain dead. You would do well not to insult people, have rational discussions. Yes, im explaining in more detail WHY no one wins, but that it still greatly favors one nation over another. Tough shit.

If it greatly favors one side, and it still end up a no win, if you both die anyways... you should learn not to trust your bookies. 

Why it's not worth my time to debunk your way out of date information, there is just too much misinformation. Maybe you should watch the video Mjmd linked to, there should be some truth to it since it comes highly recommended. Then, maybe we can talk.

[superdeath]

I watched it. Ive already said that china is improving. They are still a solid decade from having the capacity to challenge the US on the open sea, or in air-air combat. Defending yourself an ocean away from your enemy is easy. Being a great power makes it easier.

Still a lose-lose situation that we have agreed on if they got into a war.

Still going to say the US and its allies would more than 90% likely defend Taiwan in some form. Japan, South Korea and some other nations in the area have been building up as well to prevent China from pushing them around. Especially with their "i made this man made island so obviously this area is now under china rule" And stating that the Whole china sea is theirs (its not). Notably Japan has vastly increased their defensive budget.


On another topic whats the over/under on anything actually happening to Trump? Or the over/under on neither him or Biden winning the election so that i can be happy.

[Charr Babies]

Defending yourself an ocean away from your enemy is easy. Being a great power makes it easier.

That is the premise of our talk. China is not about to attack anyone, hence home base advantage.

Still going to say the US and its allies would more than 90% likely defend Taiwan in some form. Japan, South Korea and some other nations in the area have been building up as well to prevent China from pushing them around.

For the good of humanity, I hope we are only involved in using Japan and South Korea to fight a proxy war, at most. But be mindful that friends are not necessary friends in need. It is okay to be our running dogs and barking loudly bearing their teeth, it might be a different story when push come shove. They have absolutely nothing to gain. Beside being too close to China, they also have NK and Russia to worry about. It's anyone's guess who will get involved. I frankly do not believe all that posturing.

[superdeath]

Defending yourself an ocean away from your enemy is easy. Being a great power makes it easier.

That is the premise of our talk. China is not about to attack anyone, hence home base advantage.

I mean..... They HAVE said they plan to retake Taiwan...

[Charr Babies]

Defending yourself an ocean away from your enemy is easy. Being a great power makes it easier.

That is the premise of our talk. China is not about to attack anyone, hence home base advantage.

I mean..... They HAVE said they plan to retake Taiwan...

Since 1949. Still seeking peaceful reunification.

[superdeath]

They have reinforced their want for reunification very recently. Also, as the years have went on.. Taiwanese people have shifted towards not wanting reunification. It will only grow with time.

[AdrienIer]

You mean that having watched what happened to Hong Kong since 99, they haven't been convinced of the overwhelming liberty China offers to its territories ?

[Charr Babies]

You mean that having watched what happened to Hong Kong since 99, they haven't been convinced of the overwhelming liberty China offers to its territories ?

What happened?

[Mjmd]

I wonder if Hong Kong had been treated well what impact that might have had on Taiwan. But it wasn't.

[Mjmd]

You mean that having watched what happened to Hong Kong since 99, they haven't been convinced of the overwhelming liberty China offers to its territories ?

What happened?

I mean I've been convinced you are just a troll for a while, but seriously.