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Oh its much better for the state to directly censor eh Boro? I know we've had this argument before and I'm not saying there aren't flaws, but the internet is literally the most access to news and information IN HISTORY. Its not even close.
And you can understand why a site might not want images of someone burning to death on it. You can find the news of it happening and all the various takes on it, but not the actual video of it happening. So sure that is censorship, but also understandable.
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I'll try to answer before our resident troll goes off his hinges into another 8 pages of nothing. 
A state censor that is directly answerable to the people (assuming a democratic process), or a non-state censor that is directly answerable only to a select few shareholders...
I think the end result for the end user is exactly the same, although one can have preferences for sure.
In principle, I prefer state to non-state monopoly actors, since those tend to be smaller in scope in terms of geographic extent (so they can't be used to censor foreign countries as well) and can in a good system be put on a shorter leash, but we know how nasty the state-officialized "intelligence community" can be too.
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(March 1st, 2024, 14:55)Mjmd Wrote: Oh its much better for the state to directly censor eh Boro? I know we've had this argument before and I'm not saying there aren't flaws, but the internet is literally the most access to news and information IN HISTORY. Its not even close.
And you can understand why a site might not want images of someone burning to death on it. You can find the news of it happening and all the various takes on it, but not the actual video of it happening. So sure that is censorship, but also understandable.
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Usually freedom of press is part of the definition of a functioning democracy. Most countries with heavy government censorship either aren't democracies or are moving away from.
Any government owned media model is almost certainly going to be bias.
VS the a privatized model where sure different platforms may not have certain things, but you can still find.
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What you say makes sense, as in it's early-middle stages at least the privatized model is essentially a decentralized system, which is less controllable by a single person or small decisionmaker group, because it's not under a ... central control.
But since every privatized model eventually converges towards highly centralized (or monopolized) centres of (economic, and therefore political) power, it ends up the same way just with even less accountability.
Still decentralization is good.
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I mean don't get me wrong we need to do some Taft level trust busting in this country. At this point I'm hoping the grocery store chain merger gets denied; should get denied, but you never know.
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Progressive trust busting is what has led to the consolidation of power across small groups of megacorporations that act as instruments of state will. The idea that having one corporation like Amazon is terrible but having two or four doing the same thing it does is somehow better is the fantasy of delusional morons who think the politics of this country haven't changed since 1880.
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(March 1st, 2024, 16:01)greenline Wrote: Progressive trust busting is what has led to the consolidation of power across small groups of megacorporations that act as instruments of state will.
I want you to reread this sentence. Then reread it again. Trust busting breaks up mega corporations. The idea is to NOT end up with mega corps. You can argue it hasn't been done enough, but its hard to argue breaking things up ends up with them consolidated.
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The idea of communism is not bread lines. Yet, in practice, all it produced is bread lines, over and over. There's only a certain level of political naivety that is acceptable before it becomes tiresome.
Taft's trust busting consolidated formerly single corporations into groups of two to five or so. Doing more trust busting will just result in the same thing happening again. Try to think of an idea that hasn't been done before.
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