[PB76] Strange women lurking in ponds and distributing swords

[mackoti]

Wow what a hard  game for Scooter and so unfun...., he invested one great artist on this and lost all....,I would be mad at all...

[Mjmd]

I mean could have chosen Pins approach. Just go take it by force. Its a surer way to actually hold it. This isn't single player where opponents won't react.

[mackoti]

I mean could have chosen Pins approach. Just go take it by force. Its a surer way to actually hold it. This isn't single player where opponents won't react.

Yeah, i dont find what Commodore done is  spite, is just playing the game to win. They have a long history of bad blood so  I undestand his reaction.

[Ginger*]

I suppose a lot of people have histories of questionable diplo.
I don’t particularly see this instance as egregious, players are entitled to try their luck on dumb early wars lol, even if they’re always dumb RNG fests that end when someone else gets Knights

[Amicalola]

I really sympathise with scooter here. Even if he's not right about the individual action (ambiguous imo), he is almost certainly right about the long-term outcome.

[Mjmd]

Not necessarily. A fast 2v1 war could easily put Commodore and Thoth ahead, but they do have to do it soon.

[T-hawk]

The part that sucks is that when Scooter started the Great Artist plan, he hadn't thought about the timing of the flip and that Commodore could snipe it before he could reinforce. If he'd known the details of what the turn order meant at that time, he never would have done the artist plan to start with.

From Commodore's POV it's entirely reasonable - yes you whack a neighbor city at the cost of one unit when you get such a chance, no matter how it came to be that way.

[Zed-F]

I don’t really think it’s about the city. It’s that Commodore likes early war (or at least doesn’t mind it) and thinks risking throwing away his game to court super early aggression before you’ve filled out your natural territory is justifiable in some cases, whereas Scooter thinks it’s not because the odds of you dragging yourself and your neighbor down to the benefit of a third party (Pindicator in this case) are too high for this ever to be an optimal play. So he resents what he sees as foolish and unjustified aggression.

Scooter has a history of experiencing this in games with Commodore, and just had it again with GT in PB74 so this game is rubbing salt in that mental wound. Probably there’s some bitterness at his map luck for being put between the two most aggressive civs as well. Getting attacked would be easier for him to swallow if it had happened later on a timeline that Scooter understands as rational. (Not to say he’d like it, but he recognized the hand he was dealt was a losing one unless Thoth went north instead of south.)

[GT]

Regarding PB74 I can’t elaborate yet about what happened

[Zed-F]

What’s to talk about? Scooter was proven right in 74.