[pb74 spoilers] Miguelito and Ginger bring about the end of the world

[Miguelito]

Last tear that I'll shed over this.




Magic Science moved his lotsa pikes and 2 maces on the forest (together with a worker pair) while bombarding Kati from Donovan's culture
He could hit next turn, and we'd need to hope that 3 G2 LBs on hill and behind walls and river plus a pike would do a good part of the job before the knights need to step in, because that would be bloody no doubt. Hiim hitting from Dono culture of course also means we can't hit back. Terribly cheesy mechanic, but of course we should have known what we were getting into singing that treaty.

... speaking of, in a move as obnoxious as it is hilarious, Donovan refounded Deluge. I have no hint of an idea what his plan is there. Tempted to let it grow to size 2 though (it's working the cow every turn so far).

Donovan also cut the road NE of Kati with his war elephants, immobilizing our diminished stack for another turn. Meanwhile, MS had prepared a knight + 2 workers on that eastern peninsula, who could have taken Sikasso without combat had our caravel not spotted them, admittedly somehwat by chance. Now we have 2 new workers, which is good because we were down to 6 empire wide.



On the island it had indeed been too little, so we are bombarding and waiting for reinforcements. One knight has medic 1. Paaaaatience. I sent the axe to the cow tile afterwards.

[Miguelito]

Our peace with Donovan is ending in 2 turns, he whipped 10 of his 12 cities this turn, and this is what we look at. It would be rather convenient if he threw his weight south, as then our southern GKC screen (admittedly thin), together with current reinforcements and mobile forces, could take care of that why we'd hold against MS in the north.
At the same time, as long as we don't have the first ring, we probably can't defend Kati against both armies. We might have to give them up to preserve our army, which is also why I did not refound MS's capital in the NE this turn.

We will need to take back Bikini Atoll one way or another. Of course I'm tempted to let it grow to save on the settler, but of course it will be very situational.

As you see, we are now researching towards Rifling with 59 gpt losses. Not a single Org courthouse built . The bank in the shrine city of Ragnarök boosts this a whole lot of course. I'm resisting the temptation to follow up with a grocer straight away, instead queuing a musket. A GKC invasion at this moment would be.... uh critical.

But in general we have accepted that the war in the north is stalled; we slowly grind the islands, and try to hold Kati and Sikasso if possible, until hopefully Rifling gives us a tech edge big enough to go into offensive mode again.

[klops]

tough situation... Rifles would be nice vs all those 4-legged-things but how many turns do you need from alphabet?

Oh and seems that your "no road" sign is outdate

[Ginger*]

is 18% city culture enough to cause a revolt upon their recapture?

[Miguelito]

is 18% city culture enough to cause a revolt upon their recapture?

this is a mechanics question for our enlightened lurkers

We have 18% culture in Kati, MS has 81%.
Do revolts happen if

1. MS captures it
   
2. Donovan Zoi does?
   

[Miguelito]

Alright, we'll find out either way.


Donovan and Magic Science are joining forces, and we have to abandon Kati. Dono has to go first, so it will be interesting if he takes the city.





For an idea of what we're up against. Discount ~10-12 LBs and ancient units for MS's island garrison. Otoh, most of the results of Donovan's whip spree are probably not visible yet. We should be able to at least stop them if they march on Atlantis, but there is some nagging doubt.

[Miguelito]

Ah between all the doom and gloom we also finally captured the second city on the island (where we very stupidly lost our settler 50 turns ago). Now the next island is fortified more heavily, with castles in both cities and a bunch of longbows in each. Actually have to evaluate if it's safe to land. And either way it will be another buff test for or patience.

[Mjmd]

is 18% city culture enough to cause a revolt upon their recapture?

this is a mechanics question for our enlightened lurkers

We have 18% culture in Kati, MS has 81%.
Do revolts happen if

1. MS captures it
   
2. Donovan Zoi does?
   

1) almost positive no *unless you have units in the BFC towards him.
2) yes

Come on Mig you were ded lurking  me when I caused Charriu to go all deep dive into this during PB56.

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[RefSteel]

is 18% city culture enough to cause a revolt upon their recapture?

this is a mechanics question for our enlightened lurkers :)

We have 18% culture in Kati, MS has 81%.
Do revolts happen if

1. MS captures it
   
2. Donovan Zoi does?
   

I'm not sure what you mean by revolts, but assuming those numbers or anything remotely close to them:

- If MS captures the city, there will be no revolt. It will be able to produce things for him beginning immediately.

- If DZ captures the city, it will be in resistance, and will not produce anything until it comes out of resistance. Depending on how much culture DZ gets into the city and the size of his garrison, it may have a chance to revolt if (and only if) any of MS's still-owned cities (have) expand(ed) borders to include Kati's tile. If it revolts twice this way (with the culture numbers still remotely similar) it will flip to MS.

- If either one of them captures the city and you subsequently recapture it, it will (again) be in resistance, and will not produce anything until it comes out of resistance. Depending on how much culture you get into the city and the size of your garrison, it may have a chance to revolt if (and only if) any of MS's still-owned cities (have) expand(ed) borders to include Kati's tile. It will never flip to MS if you (ever) captured it from MS however, even if it's been conquered back and forth between you and DZ in the meantime.

[Miguelito]

is 18% city culture enough to cause a revolt upon their recapture?

this is a mechanics question for our enlightened lurkers

We have 18% culture in Kati, MS has 81%.
Do revolts happen if

1. MS captures it
   
2. Donovan Zoi does?
   

1) almost positive no *unless you have units in the BFC towards him.
2) yes

Come on Mig you were ded lurking  me when I caused Charriu to go all deep dive into this during PB56.

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Completely forgot,  and that is relevant actually.  but liberation chance still isn't the same as  causing resistance is it? Anyways,  the no units in BFC pay is  quite important for us,  we don't want Donovan liberating the city either.

Ref, yes we mixed up revolt and resistance in our wording.  basically the question is,  do Dono or MS get immediate control over the terrain to Karl's south.  and actually,  Dono doesn't matter (because he had no culture there) but MS does. Basically the question is,  at what threshold does a city go into resistance after conquest.