Archipelago Pitboss

[superdeath]

An argument COULD be made to allow dutch/portugal to finally be picked for their UU/ub.. but 100% china needs banned. Collateral off of boats is nutty.

But yeah... all of those listed please <3

Mapmaking wise, mirrored or not, separate islands. No 2 people on an island. Commodore ate me once because of that.

[Ginger*]

An argument COULD be made to allow dutch/portugal to finally be picked for their UU/ub.. but 100% china needs banned. Collateral off of boats is nutty.

But yeah... all of those listed please <3

Mapmaking wise, mirrored or not, separate islands. No 2 people on an island. Commodore ate me once because of that.

That's a good compromise, I like it. China sees a lot of love already in standard PB so this isn't a heartache for their fans

[Qgqqqqq]

Forgot to specify but we should use the latest CtH balance mod unless there’s a big vote for RtR

Thanks Commodore that sounds great! Idk about Toroidal that should probably be a player vote or mapmaker fiat if you feel one way or another that it’d be important for fairness. Capitals with mirrored potential, not necessarily mirrored resources, is a strong preference of mine so I appreciate that.

SD you’re probably right that we should extend the ban list to Portugal, Dutch, China, but I suspect we will see wars with galleys earlier than those Civ’s powerspikes.

Well Bing the problem with FIN is sea commerce. Also it’s just simpler to ban those leaders from the snake draft than to code a new mod, but if someone volunteers their time to edit a version of CtH I’d have no opposition to ORG just losing LH bonus. They could revert FIN to BtS and just strip it’s sea commerce component. Although I doubt anyone would pick it like that

Changing building bonuses is really easy. Takes less time to code than it does for everyone to install. Would be willing to do that. Not sure how the sea commerce aspect is implemented.

[xist10]

I'm not sure how Charriu implemented the combination of FIN + Lighthouse, but most building things (and traits things) are xml and very easy.

[scooter]

Modding FIN/ORG just to make them bad, and then they don't get picked at all just sounds like a ban with more work. There's 9 other traits and this game will probably have like 5-6 players. But if folks are adamant and someone wants to do the work, I won't object. Just don't be upset when you spend an evening on a mod change for no reason.

An argument COULD be made to allow dutch/portugal to finally be picked for their UU/ub.. but 100% china needs banned. Collateral off of boats is nutty.

But yeah... all of those listed please <3

Mapmaking wise, mirrored or not, separate islands. No 2 people on an island. Commodore ate me once because of that.

That's a good compromise, I like it. China sees a lot of love already in standard PB so this isn't a heartache for their fans

Agree with this. We've played well over 100 games here, and none that I can remember getting dominated by Dutch/Portugal, so I'm OK taking the risk. If they can't be played in this game, they never will be. (And I agree CKNs are scarier anyway.)

[El Grillo]

PB51 was a Dutch Plemo win in part thanks to first-to Astro land, but those were unnaturally rich islands and I wouldn't hold that against the Dutch.

[Ginger*]

That was a Plemo win even if he played BtS America

[RefSteel]

I believe taotao won PB27 as the Dutch. Rather different mod (a one-off version of RtR) for that one though....

[Commodore]

I don't know if we've actually ever done a Classic Era start, is it just simply all Ancient Tech being given or are there other wrinkles?

I was going to noodle around with M&S/Archipelago rolls, with the deep bans are you looking at CtH or base BTS?

[Dreylin]

Doesn't a Classical start nix a couple of the early Wonders? Probably also tweaks the starting units, but I guess that can be manually overridden.