American Politics Discussion Thread

[darrelljs]

Worth it.

Darrell

[mackoti]

Worth it.

Darrell

The Video or the price?
I belive too the price worth it because without that would have been a sad world right now. But now people beeing free they can have opinion in the soviet regim there was no such thing.

[Charr Babies]

It is not a sad world right now, with Ukraine being propped to fight a losing war, and genocide going on the other end!?

[darrelljs]

Worth it.

Darrell

The Video or the price?

The price. I go to Poland 5 times a year. Everyone still talks about how awful it was under the Soviets. The support they have for Ukraine is inspiring. I favor giving Ukraine as much as they need to fight off this evil bastard.

Darrell

[darrelljs]

with Ukraine being propped to fight a losing war

"How can we as a smaller nation fight off a powerful invader? It's hopeless, we should give up." -- said Afghanistan and Viet Nam (and Ukraine) never.

Darrell

[Charr Babies]

with Ukraine being propped to fight a losing war

"How can we as a smaller nation fight off a powerful invader?  It's hopeless, we should give up." -- said Afghanistan and Viet Nam (and Ukraine) never.

Darrell

I think you meant to say Iraq and Libya,  "How can we as a smaller nation fight off a powerful invader?"

Right, how did Afghan and Viet Nam turn out. The retreat from Afghan is truly embarrassing, and getting our ass kicked by Vietnamese with sticks and stones... And now once again we are standing on the wrong side of history on genocide.

[greenline]

If the goal was preserving Ukrainian lives, then the onus would be on the West to push for a lasting peace deal acceptable to both parties. The news claims that several attempted ceasefires were turned down by the coalition of the US, Germany, and the UK. The course of the war suggests that the goal to the West is to oversee the degradation of Russian military forces and finances for as long as possible - at the expense of Ukraine as a nation.

[darrelljs]

The goal isn't preserving Ukrainian lives, the goal is preserving the Ukrainian way of life. Obviously.

Darrell

[darrelljs]

Right, how did Afghan and Viet Nam turn out..

As independent, self governed nations?

Darrell

[Mjmd]

Couple of problems
1) Both sides have to agree
- I can't stress this enough. How much US land would you want to give up if someone invaded? Very few people thought Ukraine had a chance at the start of this war, but they fought anyways. The polls I've seen don't seem to indicate the Ukrainians want to give up much if anything.
2) Lasting peace is only possible if Ukraine gets to join NATO. And see point 1 above; would Russia accept this? Russian security guarantees aren't worth much, so that is the only way forward to a lasting peace.

Current war aims don't seem to be anywhere close to each other, so peace isn't a likely short term outcome.

This war has turned into an attritional war. The West can EASILY win that, IF they have the political will.