Sengoku Chevalier: Hiun no Kishi

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

I was so looking forward to my other Civ PBEMs ending at last...forgot I committed to this thing. 

Well, okay, so we have New Frontiers leaders available? Lots there that have never been used.

Abraham Lincoln gets free amenities and units with Industrial Zones, pretty nice

Tokugawa is Japanese and gets boosted trade routes (how does it compare with Hojo?). I still get boosted yields from adjacencies, but Hojo gets the half-cost Encampments, Holy Sites, and Theater Squares. Still a really strong megalopolis potential if I emphasize trade. 

Nader Shah, boosted attacks against full health units, boosted trade routes FROM conquered cities. Goofy. 

Sulieman the Magnificent, boosted golden ages. Eh. 

Yongle, boosted high population cities and some fancy projects to grow them quickly. Looks fun. 

Wu Zetian, Chinese Catherine but better. Too niche.

Qin Shi Huang, can convert barbarians. Niche.

Ramses, culture from buildings and wonders. Maybe good. 

Sundiata, more options for using gold on great people, great works give production. Eh. Variant.

Ptolemaic Cleopatra, boosted floodplains. 

Theodora, gets Choral Music for free essentially. Doesn't seem as strong as Basil (Who is an option?).

Sejong, gets culture equal to science each era. 

Ludwig, wonder from cultures. 

Elizabeth, boosted trade routes and pillaging. 

Harald, can levy city states, boosted pillaging. 

Victoria, boosted production on strategics, +10% production per IZ building. 

There's also Basil and Menelik. So many good choices!

Right now I'm torn between Basil, Menelik, Tokugawa.

[ljubljana]

hi! my brain is fried from civ4 and honestly i haven't touched civ6 since the last game here, but i'd love to DL, if you'll have me.

although as for the leaders, um... i wasn't really aware they had released most of these, so i might have some reading to do

basil timing attack seems really nasty on a pangaea though... the UU is unlocked on the culture tree (oof) and you can just chop out half-cost hippodromes everywhere to spam them on the turn you get divine right? dang..... do we know if multiple tagmas can buff the same unit? if we're talking a front-line of 62 strength knight UUs emerging the instant you get to divine right, which could be pretty fast if you don't need much science infra to get there, it seems exceedingly hard to stop. sad that there is no real incentive to pursue religion with byz though (i think....?) which might make it impractical to land all the religious branch inspirations on the way to DR

i hope the game isn't just too fast for tokugawa. i see that he has almost nothing to help foodhammer snowball.... once you get to the lategame and have a capital with 4 districts at size 10, he will get what, 4 science + 4 culture + 8 gold per trade route? which definitely compares favorably to say, cree TRs giving ~4 food and gold from a perfectly-placed cow heaven city. but the cree stuff comes online so much earlier, and they have 2 TRs instead of 1 early with the free one at pottery. i feel like toku would have a really powerful lategame but it sounds like he is almost blank until you start getting CHs and markets in the core, which makes me nervous

menelik seems... really interesting, but also really map dependent.... do we know if we're getting start screenshots before picking? also, do you know if this

"Improved resource tiles receive +1 Faith Faith for each copy of that resource the city owns."

from civwiki refers to the number of that resource tile owned by the city itself, or is it civ-wide? i could certainly see a situation in which rock-hewn churches surrounded by improved resources + earth goddess could make for some really ludicrous faith generation. but i don't know how perfect our hill setup is going to have to be, relative to what you'd find on a random map, for that to actually happen. although i will go out on a limb and say that +4 combat strength on hills (for all units? forever???) is probably underrated and likely to be really strong in practice even if the map contains just a normal amount of hills

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

Yeah, Basil is kind of how I'm leaning, out of my love for Byzantium and because I actually appreciate Entertainment districts now. Yongle might also get ludicrous (he has the Food project to snowball in the early game, for example). Lincoln and Victoria would be stupid in the late game but getting there is an issue. I actually already did a MP game as Menelik a few years ago and he WAS awesome, but I like to tread new ground.

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

I don't wanna think about this game. Fuck it, let's just go for the smashy-smashy braindead civ. Basil II, please, if possible.

[civac2]

You are not really that old though(?).

[MJW (ya that one)]

Banned Civs:
-Hungry
-Scythia
-Babylon
-Basil II <---!
-Maori
-Bull Moose Teddy

Sumer is not banned, so if you want to troll and try to spawn-kill someone, so that's an option for you.

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

Oh, really? When did we ban Basil?

Well, Theodora, then.

[MJW (ya that one)]

thrawn banned Byzantium because he considered their attack too strong when you get crusade. Theodora didn't exist back then. I trusted thrawn's judgement on this attack being too much, but I left Theodora off the list because her attack seems much weaker to me. So, the ban changed from Byzantium to Basil II.

[ljubljana]

theodora looks quite strong too, although probably not so braindead and smashy until you get to the grandmaster's chapel... and i guess i figured out the payoff for going religious with byz - apparently founding your own religion counts as "converting a holy city" and gives you +3 strength on all units forever via their ability

do you know what it means when civwiki says that theodora's farms give "a +1 faith adjacency to hippodromes"? does that mean the hippos, unlike every other EC, can produce faith, or something else?

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

I dunno. I'm still thinking about Tokugawa, since Basil is out.

MJW, too late to swap?

EDIT: Yeah, looking at Tokugawa's trade routes, I think I can make them work. If I can't have Basil's super-horsies, I think I want to show off a trading game. Change of pace. Besides, I ahve a good Sekigahara theme. Make Tokugawa my first choice and Theodora my second.